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Why Arsenal should be bottom and Newcastle top
It figures that the rich clubs are getting richer but our alternative Premier League table shows money does not always guarantee success ...
by Kenny Harper on 04 March 2008
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Since the arrival of the Premier League the gap between the haves and the have-not’s has widened. The so-called Big Four have monopolised the European places, with only the odd bloody nose when Everton finished fourth a couple of seasons ago and Blackburn won the league in 1994-95,Generally, none of the other clubs can get anywhere near the big money of the European Champions League, which is the gravy train for these clubs. Through the G14, they have managed to agree seedings so any new club trying to get into the elite money-spinning competition faces an uphill battle instead of just the luck of the draw.So what are you left with? Clubs who have spent money are almost guaranteed a vast sum of money in return each season through the Champions League – then they can spend big again, and so the cycle continues.‘Newcastle are the fifth biggest spenders over the last five years ... you would therefore expect them to be in fifth position in the league, yet they currently stand 13th.’The Premier League has been a graveyard for some clubs attempting to break into that elite competition – Leeds being the biggest and worst example of what can go wrong.Since the Premier League’s inception, the big spenders, through whatever means, have been the teams that have been in that top four but there does seem to be a change in the air.The teams with all the money have won the majority of the major trophies over the last few years, with one or two exceptions, including Tottenham’s brilliant win in this year’s Carling Cup final. These same clubs have also monopolised the top four spots, but are they where they should be when you put into the mix what they have spent over the years?
Position
Team
Current EPL Place
Spending Table 5 yrs
Above or Below
There some mitigating factors to take into account when looking at this table. Some teams have had success in winning trophies that would make this look slightly better for them, but the facts remain the same. A team like Liverpool, who are the second biggest spenders over the last five years, can only muster fifth place in the league – a whole three places below what you would expect. Everton, lying in 11th position in the spending table, are currently sitting fourth in the Premier League, seven places higher than their spending would have them. Why is that? The only answer, in my opinion, is down to good fiscal management, good team management and coaching of the players you have at the club whilst making sure the players you do bring into your club have a desire and hunger to play. There are no guarantees that spending big money will automatically make a player produce.I have only gone back five years on what clubs have spent. When you consider what position some of the teams were in five years ago, and add to that the huge amounts of money they have spent since to show very little improvement or none at all, it goes to show that you don’t just need a good manager in charge of your club. You also need a chairman who, when the chips are down, does not over react and sack the manager at the first given opportunity.
Comments (43)
by eye eye on March 04, 2008
A sportingo article that is half decent wow
by Dick Nibbles on March 04, 2008
How interesting.
by Magic Hat on March 04, 2008
Instead of the usual rumor mongering/ and transfer rumour bollocks. Will wonders never cease? Good one Kenny!!
by Jorpie on March 04, 2008
EXCELLENT artilce, one of the best in the last 2 years.
by Fat Choi on March 04, 2008
should also be included.keeping players is almost as expensive as buying them. Arsenal's performance is likely still good but less spectacular.
by Derek on March 04, 2008
Although i liked the rumours, people just didn't get it, well most people did, some idiots didn't. Also the stuff that Sean Maloney and Joe Baker come up with are pretty good also. I would also add that this is a fans site and anyone wishing to make the site 'better' need only write much like Kenny Harper has.
by Big Phil on March 04, 2008
Show a table of the net spending over the last 12 months and you'll find Newcastle very near the bottom. 9 million quid.
by Jon on March 04, 2008
Spurs according to your figures are the 4th biggest spenders over the past five years, how do you figure their Carling Cup victory as being a triumph for the impoverished? I don't quite get that. Otherwise and interesting article and indirectly, testament to Wenger's genius.
by Gooner Adam on March 04, 2008
Insightful. Readable. Fact-based. You won't last long on this site, Kenny.
on March 04, 2008 on March 04, 2008
Well done!!!
by Michael Sullivan on March 04, 2008
As an Arsenal supporter over a lifetime and now living in North America I would offer some balance to your report. In NA all the sports team in whatever league are always gauranteed to stay in whatever league since there is no lower leagues. Hence, someone comes along buys a team and spends the money for,usually, big gains. The EPL has three distinct structures, the top four as you noted which are in reality a European creation, the actual EPL which is the fifth down to the seventeenth teams and the poor saps who get relegated. One of the parodies is not that the top four are super rich as in the fact that the bottom feeders are usually teams with lower attendance grounds cheap tickets and a much lower payroll which compounds into why they go up and then they go down. In NA teams are aggressively attacked for not upgrading their stada and spend more money on players, although the balance is coming back because of salary caps. Sports is business and those teams that don't spend don't survive, meaning there is always someone in the wings that will pay the money to buy a team. Which strangely enough is what is happening in the EPL
by D C on March 04, 2008
Finally a half decent article on sportingo which isn't a load of crap. I dont think your table is completely correct though Kenny. Im an Arsenal fan and although i know we dont spend much in comparison to the other big clubs i am pretty sure that derby haven't spent more than us over the past 5 years! Arsenal would not be 18th!!!! they would sit more around 10th.
by Scott Curry on March 04, 2008
...and now you know why Arsenal are the best club in the EPL with the best manager and loyal players.
by The knower of al things . on March 04, 2008
This highlights the lack of managerial talent up there in the north east.Wegner is a skilled manager capable of seeing footballing potential at a young age.His skills are worth millions and thats why he was hired.Newcastle on the other hand are an emotional bunch with no real insight to football.Hire and firing like a badly run restaurant.And now KEEGAN huh? emotional or what..............yous really are stupid up there for buying into that responce,keegan is a super guy but if yous want a wegner or a ferguson then get the real cash out and buy a wegner for 26million!!!!
by I G on March 04, 2008
To DC 4/3/08. Arsenal are 18th as the articles states that they have made a profit over the past 5 years. It takes into account net transfers, not just spending.
by Geordie Joe on March 04, 2008
I love how every one hates us. You mention only a few bloody noses when everton got 4th and blackburn winning it. But why don't you mention the fact newcastle have finished in the top 4 five times. These small time journalists make me laugh. but the people that amuse me the most are the muppets who comment and don't even make a point like knower all things for example. what a tit he is.
by Frank Browne on March 04, 2008
I thought to myself I'm going to read another article with typical Sportingo sensationalist headlines and no substance. How wrong was I!!
by Kenny Harper on March 04, 2008
Thanks to all for your replies, Im glad the article has been appreciatted. FAO Jon, Im not sure it was avictory for the impoverished really( spurs success) More like it is what they should be doing year ijn year out when you look at what they have spent, maybe the next question should be why they have only just started? FAO DC, I did get my figures of a man citys fanzine website I'll try and locate it ASAP and post the link. I accpet its not perfect(the table) but i think it goes a long way to show that success can not always be measured in trophies, for some clubs without a huge amount to spend success can be survival in the premiership, or qualifying for Europe. Wenger comes out very well in this as does Hughes and Moyes( which Im glad about) all mangers who I think tend to build superstars rather than buy them
Why is your headline why newcastle should be top, when you contradict yourself by admitting actually with your theory newcastle should be 5. but if you look at net spending you will relise how pointless this article is. Lazy journalism.
This was not meant as a lets get newcatsle piece, im afraid your club just dont come out of it very well, but you dont need me to tell you why really do you ? I never mentioned that Newcastle did well ten years ago because quite honestly it slipped uner the radar a bit and Im not sure it would have been relevant anyway. But you've brought it up now, so we can all make our own judgement as to whether it makes your figures and what you have done over the last 5 years( which is what the piece is about) look any better or worse.
I never wrote the headline mate. Anything else?
Well why not do one for net spending? we might still not fair that well but i would be intersted.
by kenny harper on March 04, 2008
Dont be a lazy reader, do it yourself mate....
http://purelymancity.blogspot.com/2008/02/city-are-sec ond-biggest-transfer.html It has a few good comaprism tables on it.
by 4X2 Mug Yet again, a melt on March 05, 2008
Ah but dont worry, we are tottingham, we won againt the arsenal so thats the next 42 years sorted. Blanchflower, billy nich, jonathon woodgate, legends the lot of em, oi oi.
by Muktadir Ali on March 05, 2008
A non Biast Arsenal report for once
by fds fds on March 05, 2008
Shouldn't you average the league places over five years as well? And shouldn't cups (FA or European) count towards success?
by nayan sthanakiya on March 05, 2008
This article is fatally flawed. If you read the annual Deloitte Reviews of Football Finance you will see that Arsenal and Manchester United have geenrally been at the top of the spending league when you take wages into account. They have recenty been overtaking by the 'financially doped' Chelsea FC but otherwise those two clubs have lead the way. Too many people focus on headline transfer figures. The reality is very different.
by John Kinnelly on March 05, 2008
I found this a very interesting article, but have one question. As with all comparisons of this type the the actual amounts can be critical. ie where did you get the actual tranfer amounts from,is it reliable? and what value did you put on unusual transfers such as the Ashally Cole - William Galas deal. Sorry that 2 questions but just curious?
by UPYOURARSEnal FC on March 05, 2008
Arsenal's wage bill is a lot less than that of the rest of lasts years top 4. It is our relativley low wage bill that has cost us our depth, two players that spring to mind are EDU and cashley. Both left arsenal because they were told they could not have more than £50,000. Does the Deloitte Review of Football Finance consider what is gaained through the sale of players?
by Kenny Harper on March 05, 2008
http://purelymancity.blogspot.com/2008/02/city-are-sec ond-biggest-transfer.html
by Col Sharpe on March 05, 2008
with only the odd bloody nose when Everton finished fourth a couple of seasons ago and Blackburn won the league in 1994-95, and newcastle: 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. CL at least twice, all after blackburn won it. do some research sportingo!!!
by col Sharpe on March 05, 2008
so how is it relevant to mention nufcs success and relevant to mention blackburn and evertons? - cos it doesnt fit with current toon bashing i reckon
Newcastle have spent an absolute fortune over the last 50 years won nothing but did manage to finsih ion the top four about ten years ago... Hope this helps col. pssst CVol, this was really just about the squad building over the last five years, a number picked at randon to show how clubs can spend big(not unlike newcastle)and how we can measure what will be achievement for them...
by Ole Gunner on March 05, 2008
First good article I have seen on this site. Awesome!
by davio knobsville on March 05, 2008
At last an article with some sense and seems quite acurate...... When the facts are put down in black and white (no pun intended) their seems to be a lack of Spurs and Man U (look what Fergie did in Scotland early eighties)comments........ Wenger has made a few cock ups but has more than put them right many less than some of his rivals........ How has Benitez got the front to keep asking for more money to buy players from what this table shows?.,,
by Kenny Harper on March 06, 2008
The whole point was that the Rich get richer and how wrong is that, these teams have monopolised European football by the seedings, any team trying to improve without the aid of selling their soul and the soul of football to some corporate money men are stopped dead in their tracks by such things as seedings in such competitions. I wont argue on Newcastle they have enough problems, and blackburn was mentioned not as prove of what can be done without money, more as the only real time anyone has managed to get past this gentlemans club now known as the Englsih Premier League. Im not sure about having some idiots fooled but I have certainly had some idiots wound up havent I Harry ? I hope you enjoy my next article as much.
by HighburyJD on March 06, 2008
surely in fth e spending is over 5 years the other line on a graph should ne average finish over 5 years...?
Yeh I see what you mean mate... Sheesh
by ROb Elder on March 10, 2008
One of the few good sportingo articles
by Sam Wanjere on March 11, 2008
I wish the author of the article would adduce actual figures to go with their contention. I highly doubt the accuracy of this particular article. The Reds CANNOT have outspent Man U, and Arsenal haven't spent as little as the media purports they have (in all fairness). Are we saying that Arsene Wenger in his ten or so years in London has spent less than Benitez, who only joined Liverpool in 2005? Simple logic please! SAF has been at Man U for 20 years, yet we've outspent him! My, then at that rate we've also outspent the Blues! C'mon. Honestly, I'd like to see the actual figures you have.
by Kenny Harper on March 11, 2008
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