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by Lee Sadler on 26 July 2008
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by Spurs Si on July 26, 2008
Spurs are selling a large number players correct Said players are average players Ramos is making way for quality and not the crap jol picked up
by taffa on July 26, 2008
think you've gone way over-board here. keane and berba apart, the players we're shipping out are deadwood and the choice of the club, these are players that ramos clearly doesn't rate so he plans to cash in on them. there'll be a few more leaving as well, the likes of rocha, lee, kpb. these players aren't good enough so get rid of them and replace them with quality. its the old adage, quality not quantity, we had one of the biggest squads in the premiership last year, 30+, this year we'll have a squad of about 25 with real quality waiting to come in, thats the difference. berba wants to go, we've known for a year so i hope the club have a replacement lined up. the keane situation is a little different as his departure has only emerged in the last few weeks. under the new 4-1-4-1 system i'm not sure where keane would've fit in anyway so 20m for a 28 year old seems good busines as long as he is adequatley replaced (arshavin or villa would do nicely). its not all doom and gloom, keep the faith
by Jonny D on July 26, 2008
If Spurs hadn't won the Carling Cup last year, just how happy would you guys be with Ramos? Your league form and position weren't exactly impressive. No side or attitude, just wondering?
by jamie simpson on July 26, 2008
Spurs are a solvent club and run very well, the other three clubs have massive debt. These clubs are financed by borrowing and i should imagine the credit crunch has hit these with higher interest rates on their repayments, so their teams have less to spend as a result and Wenger has admitted as much. I think any revenue made by selling players, should be spent on new faces so Ramos can start the season with his own team
our league form tailed off beacuase of our cup win. under ramos there is progress, belief that we can win, we did it against arsenal, chelsea and (very, very, very) nearly aginast man utd. all of this with a team he inherited, his record speaks for itself and once he has his own, settled side i'm sure all will see that spurs are the best bet to break into the top 4
by mj c on July 26, 2008
jamie simpson: The Wenger quotes were a NotW fake, so ignore them. Arsenal's debt of £260 is basically a mortgage (unlike the other three clubs which use debt to operate the club) and is at a fixed rate of 4%, so the credit crunch has NO impact on Arsenal in that sense, although it may reduce the return on the Highbury Square and other property developments relating to the stadium move.
by hugh jarse on July 26, 2008
you can't over estimate the damage to spurs this year. They are losing the most potent strike force they have had since Archibald/Crooks, they already lost Defoe which leaves them with Darren bent as a recognized striker. They are also losing any semblance of depth to their squad. An untested goalkeeper, no additions to a weak defence, players added that don't address their key midfield needs (width) and no strike force left. Tough to put a positive spin on that?
by Chris Kennedy-Barnard on July 26, 2008
You totally have the wrong end of the stick here. Chelsea already have a tremendous squad, as do Manchester United, so why spend big when you have just dominated the Champions League? Chelsea are spending because they ahve some dead wood and Scolari wants his own men to suit his style of football. Liverpool & Arsenal are a different story, they do have financial constraints and will have to sell players to buy more. Arsenal have a new stadium they are paying off, so if the can keep retaining there Champions League spot whilst spending carefully, then its a good move. Liverpool I fear for with their mercenary owners, they are not in good financial shape at all. Spurs are losing their first choice frontline in Keane and Berbatov, but you cant keep players who really want to be elsewhere and lets face it, they will generate a kings ransom in transfer values. Which will in turn allow Spurs to buy replacements. I think you will see Spurs spend the Keane/Berbatov money, the Kaboul, Robinson, Taino, Chimbonda, Malbranque money and more. Their Chairman seems to have ambition and will not stop until he gets qualification for the Champions league, because that is where the real money is at, if you are mercenary and want to make a fortune. Credit crunch, the Premier league has never been healthier, more quality players are wanting to play here than ever and becomes more commercial by the year. On another note, ridiculously overrated transfer values are making it difficult for the less wealthy clubs to compete.
hugh jarse you're deluded. Sounds like the credit crunch has got to your spirit. How many players have Spurs sold? and how many have they signed? Add that up at the end of the transfer window.....
by alex gibson on July 26, 2008
interesting article but i agree that, keane and berba aside, all the players probably don't feature in Ramos' plans. About the transfers not looking like they're happening, I would just bear in mind that there was no media noise about us being serious about Modric, it seems like we try and keep our dealings quiet when we can. Ramos has his contacts in spain and clearly knows exactly which players he would like and would be available. I try my best to ignore everything in the media, and not even consider anything til it's confirmed on spurs website because of the bullsh*t with Garcia and Santana. I think we should just trust Ramos and Levy.
by Baggyshorts on July 26, 2008
Jamie, in Arsenal's recently published accounts it showed a minus of £512.6m, I dont know where you got your 260m from. Spurs have too many players on the payroll for what reason? Arshavin wants 100 grand a wk, can you see levy paying that, I dont think so and rightly so. Robbie's (reportedly,)agreed contract is for 90g a week so can you blame him? Dont know what you people do but if you were headhunted for twice the salary I'd bet not one of you would refuse! Sometime somewher there has to be a wage cap or it will be the richest owner with the best players, eg: Abramovich Regards Baggyshorts
Baggyshorts - did you actually bother looking at the accounts before you posts this??? See this link: http://www.plusmarketsgroup.com/cgi-bin/reports .cgi?action=DisplayReport&report=arsenal2007.pdf On page 14 it states: "Net debt at 31st May 2007 has increased to £268.2m (2006- £262.1)" So that's where I got my numbers from. Question is, why are you inventing another £250m worth of non-existent debt?
by Gaga on July 26, 2008
As one of the posters mentioned above, the top 4 teams are all in debt and the worse one of all is Liverpool. Even though Man U are owned by americans like Liverpool, Man U have a far greater revenue model not to mention far more success in recent years. They are a well run club from top to bottom which is something Liverpool lack greatly. Parry and Co are a disgrace and anyone who disagrees is a fool. Liverpool have neither the skill at the top nor the financial backing to push past 4th place, unless Arsenals situation become worse with their current financies. If a full scale take over is completed in the same manner as chelsea then they should be more than safe. Because Liverpool have left it so late and have been run to the ground by the board, they cant afford to build a new stadium which should have been done many years ago. The current credit climate is only going to get worse as time goes by. People are feeling the pinch as it is which has yet to filter through the system. Liverpool cant raise ticket prices because the fans cant afford so those massive interests payments of £27 million a year (current as far as im aware) will chew all the transfers money and constantly keep them in the red. And whos going to lend them another 500 million to build a cut down stadium with Liverpools business model devised on the lines of a kid playing fantasy football? No chance. Spurs are well run at the top but have been lacking in recent years the right manager. Some of the players of today are a disgrace to the game, how they could get into the great sides of the old is beyond imagination. Spurs now have a manager than can make a difference but will need time. With a bit of luck, good business in the transfer markets he is well placed to over take liverpool in the league. One thing I do like is hes gone out and bought players he believes will make a real difference to the sqaud, Rafa seems to sell or release one average player and replace him with another average player for 7-8 million. How many of rafa buys would you say have done excellent for us? Very few if that. The thing that counts massively in spurs favour is their location, they have some of the richest fans in the country so can easily raise ticket prices without hurting their match day attentance. Unless Liverpool are sold to a very wealthy owner and i mean cash rich not on paper like those jokes gillet and hicks, Liverpool will end up like Leeds if not careful. I suppose time will tell. And before you all start jumping the gun how bias i am towards spurs and Man u in particular. I am a Liverpool supporter and definately not in the same category of so many others who post its our year to win the league LOL. They are the dreamers who cant weigh up the facts or scared not to. Good luck to all in the new season :)
Sorry just the top 3, chelsea are cash rich :)
by Robert Snowden on July 26, 2008
At present Spurs have no cash issues - as most posters have said, they are getting rid of marginal players to help finance less but better quality players and at the same time reduce squad size! As for Berbatov and Keane I suspect that Ramos and levy might have kept them but also knew they were being tapped up so they might as well cash in now (45-50 Mil) and spend that on other quality players to strengthen the squad! The so-called "Top 4", except possibly for the Gooners, are living on massive debt. Man Utd and Liverpool have massive costs from the outside takeovers and Chelsea are lumbered with huge Amromo loans even if they are interest free. These 3 clubs would be very vulnerable if Platini ever follows through on his promise to penalise teams with huge debts, as he knows that having the same teams, year after year, is not good for the CL! If this happened it would open up the CL for a large numbers of Euro teams, who are currently in the Uefa Cup, including the likes of Spurs, Villa and Everton. There should be no God-given right of the Top 4 clubs in the EPL to get into the CL every year just because they are heavily in debt or financed interest free by a Russian "sugar daddy!"
Robert: I couldn't agree more, and look forward to Platini implementing his debt-licensing proposals. Even as an Arsenal fan, I would rather see Spurs in the Champions League on merit, in place of a Chelsea team that pays out 80% of its revenues (that's revenues NO profit) on wages, or a Manchester United team that doesn't even seem to have a plan to repay its £800m debts.
by Yiddsy on July 26, 2008
Here here Robert I have been saying this all summer as regards to R K & D B how can a team in so much debt be allowed to buy other clubs players,Come on Fifa pull your finger out an show them that you mean buisness and that it is not just idle threats,They should not be able to enter until they are in the black!
by Peter London on July 26, 2008
Tottenham aren't 'breaking up' so much as reorganising.
by Scott Stringer on July 27, 2008
I am an avid tottenham fan and for me it would be a great loss to lose Keane but not necessarily berbatov. If the ball dont land at his feet he moans. I do like him but i think a moody player brings down moral on the pitch. With regards to the credit crunch i dont think spurs have been hit by it i just think he is doing the same as what they done to carrick. He asked to leave so they cashed in. I must say though i do agree with a few comments that spurs should maybe buy bentley and villa but use the rest of the money to buy at least two central defenders of some class to replace woody and king at some stage in the league or cup competitions. I do think with the squad we have already got that we are capable of braking the top four with the right start if we keep berba and keane. How do you replace 40 goals a season. One last thing i cant understand is that in my eyes with no disrespect to liverpool because i enjoy watching them that why is keane moving to liverpool. He must know that we are on the verge of playing CL football. I cant understand it. Man u yeah maybe without wanting to say it but even chelsea but why liverpool. Ok they do do well in the CL but thats it. If it was not for everton failing at the last herdle AGAIN then Liverpool would have been playing uefa this year like us. If Keane does leave then i would love for us to buy maybe villa, bentley and capel and break the top four at the expense of Liverpool I think most spurs fans will agree. Finally, to be honest who has inside knowledge about the Keane saga because spurs have never made a public statement about
by Joel Henderson on July 27, 2008
Totally agree with Taffa. Word is that Ramos is getting busy while he is in Spain, but if we aren't going to get either Villa or Ruud then I hope Peckhart gets a chance (sorry of I've spelt his name wrong but just back from pub). He has been consistently exellent for youth and reserves and it would be so satisfying to see the answer to our prayers come from inside the ranks.
by KennyM on July 27, 2008
Sorry guys but from a business point of view and not a football one you are missing the point. Mr Levy works for ENIC Sports PLC. That company is owned by Mr Loe Lewis, Daniel Levys boss. Joe Lewis was one ot the worlds 100 richest men and owns or is the major shareholder in well over 100 company's world wide. He suffered a major loss in his wealth a few years ago in the trade market slump. Earlier this year he had HALF of his multi-billion dollar wealth in the US sub maket prime crash, wiped out. He is of course still well solvent, as is ENIC Sports PLC, but if you believe that a man in his position has not told all of his chief executives, even the current sucessful ones (including ENIC Sports PLC and Tottenham Hotspur, that there must be some kind of rationlisation and cutback in operating cost you are deluded. This is the reason that although we are a succesfully managed and finacial club we are an attractive cog in a huge empire. Mr Levy may be under a lot of pressure to "cash in" on some good offers at the expense of the squad at this time.....I fear that our beloved Spurs may actually be in the throws of some major cost cutting for the good on Mr Lewis and no other reason. The stadium issue is just another thing that seems to have been put into limbo for the same reasons. COYS
by Paul W on July 27, 2008
Hugh: Pretty poor comment to be fair. Spurs didnt lose Defoe, they chose to sell him. Gomes is hardly an untested keeper considering he has a Uefa cup winners medal. As for selling the "most potent strike force since Archibald and Crooks" I would remind you of Klinsman and Sheringham and the solo efforts of Lineker and Clive Allen since then.
by Big Stan on July 28, 2008
@ Gaga "Rafa seems to sell or release one average player and replace him with another average player for 7-8 million. How many of rafa buys would you say have done excellent for us? Very few if that. " Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Skrtel, Torres, Alonso, Babel....all average, not done excellentfor us??? You need to think again.
by Essexian76 on August 01, 2008
at least get it right,Where exactly is this 'cost cutting?', as only disenchanted players in Berba and Keane, have been or in the process of being sold. Neither were touted by the club, and both are or were subject to tapping up by other clubs. Those that are gone are the surplus to requirements, and have been sold for a healthy profit, bolstering our transfer budget considerably. In fact we could at the end of the window be a few million in profit, and aquire players that far exceed those departed in attitude and ability. Also you've omitted the fact that every transaction by us is suject to stock exchange scrutiny, and open to audit, which is why our dealings must be above board
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