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The world's greatest rugby nation – it's All Black and white despite Springbok and Wallaby claims
As the Southern Hemisphere international season commences, many – including some Kiwis – gloat about and mock the New Zealanders' demise. How uninformed they are.
by James Mortimer on 01 June 2008
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Canterbury have completed the 2008 Super 14 with their seventh title in the 13 years that the tournament has been operating. This means quite simply that the world’s dominant provincial team has won over 50 per cent of the toughest domestic international series - a tournament that ranks alongside the Heineken Cup.If you add the three titles that the Auckland Blues have claimed, this makes for fearsome reading for Australian and South African supporters. Only three times has another country claimed the title. The current world champions, South Africa, for all of their bleating, have won only one title despite empty claims that they have the toughest domestic competition. As well as this, New Zealand has five times provided the losing finalist to the competition’s Grand Final. Fifteen finals appearances to seven by Australia, while the Africans have only appeared in three finals!But, of course, many point to the fact that countries' overall domination is reflected in their international performance – and in this arena the All Blacks quite simply have no peer.‘... let’s get this hollow commercial concept of World Cups out of the way. The only real tournament was played in 1987 – which the All Blacks won with a path of domination that was astounding’First, let’s get this hollow commercial concept of World Cups out of the way. The only real tournament was played in 1987 – which the All Blacks won with a path of domination that was astounding not only for the fact that they were unchallenged, but that they had recently had a massive number of their players banned over the “Cavalier” controversy. In 1991, the All Blacks did the rugby world a favour by appointing two conflicting coaches and fielding a side on the decline. The Wallabies, eventual champions, nearly lost to Samoa in pool stages and only defeated Ireland by one point. The Australians at this point had evolved into a top team courtesy of being groomed by New Zealand by numerous Bledisloe thrashings.In 1995, the All Blacks were the dominant team in the cup – hosted by South Africa, whose re-entry into top rugby was due to the New Zealanders’ consistent attempts to play African teams despite their worldwide sporting ban. The Springboks then repaid this favour by poisoning the entire All Blacks team, but despite this could only defeat the legendary team in extra time.
Comments (41)
by Greg Smith on June 02, 2008
The SPRINGBOKS are better - SA rugby has a much GREATER history (and that attempted poisoning cop out again ? I'd be ashamed, but you're probably not, another reason I loath the AB's - Laurie Mains, what a mongrel, is he related to Graham Henry ?)
by Nelson Mandela on June 02, 2008
After awarding a try in the very first test match, Scotland vs. England in 1871: - When a referee is in doubt, I think he is justified in deciding against the side that makes the most noise. A.H. Almond The Olympics are every four years and I think every athlete who competes in the Olympics wants the gold medal, and I think that's what the World Cup is for a rugby player - it's the gold medal. George Gregan 1987 wasn't a Rugby World Cup... the World wasn't there !
by Lemon Squeezer on June 02, 2008
G.s can whinge his usual uninformed tripe, but the eternal FACTS stand testament to the might of the New Zealand sides of the past, the present, and forever into the future. The only World Cup that the world will remember in 150 years when the Almighty Blacks have won they're umpteenth WC, will be the very first one!!
by James (author) on June 02, 2008
Greg, please don't leave your filthy comments on my articles. Your racism and bigotry is truly offensive.
Sorry Jimbo ! Well stop writing this muck, you soar Kiwi !
by Jim Blue on June 02, 2008
Its "sour". Have to say I didnt realise that the NZ Saffie rivalry was this bitter.
by Jon Argent on June 02, 2008
You won't hear many South Africans claim that South Africa have a stronger record than the all blacks; we all admit the truth. However, there have certainly been periods during which the AB's have been dominated, and more often than not that has been by South African teams. And you should keep that absolute bullshit about poisening out of these articles. Only the AB's are so arrogant that they need to find conspiracy to justify their failures. The world cup record cannot be explained away by your nonsense. The truth is the AB's are a great rugby playing nation and well respected by South Africa. However their arrogance and insecurity (of the fans more than the players even) has never been matched.
by kelvin perrie on June 03, 2008
james mortimer, it is nice to see that you are so passionate about the AB's. although you clearly lack a broad understanding of rugby history. your poisoning comments are infantile at best. and another thing, as soon as you get some opposing view to your article you run straight to the racism card. come on mate, how old are you?
by James (author) on June 03, 2008
Firstly, I am not playing a racism card - clearly none of you have read the one sided lies that Gref Smith constantly drivels. As for food poisoning, we can all have our opinions. The FACTS are that every senior player, Frank Bunce, Sean Fitzpatrick, Eric Rush, were all unaminous (and don't even begin to say these rugby legends are liars). Also, the day before the final, for the first time on African tour, the Blacks were given breakfast in a private room, where all other mornings that had eaten with the general public. The only two players not taken ill, Zinzan and Robin Brooke, did not eat breakfast with the team. There is also documented evidence that there was suspicions at a restaurant they ate at the night before. The South African security guard assigned to the All Blacks, Rory Steyn, backed up the facts. But either way, it's more than simple coincidence, but I even as a NZ supporter will happily admit that the Springboks did play a brilliant game plan (especially to shut down Lomu).
Maybe Jon Argent and Kelvin perrie should read some of Smiths articles, to see why he inspires such emotion from proud rugby supporters.
by Greg Smith on June 03, 2008
Like you ... I'll see your 3 and raise you the TRC's Archbishop Tutu, Nelson Mandela, the FBI and CIA ... your sore tummy cop out cost MANY important people a great deal of time and money... and although comprehensively debunked as 'sour grapes' no doubt will live on in the hallways of Kiwi rugby as a conspiracy theory of only the most narrow minded, arrogant examples of New Zealanders
... both believe there were Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq ... come on boy, wake up !
by Brad on June 03, 2008
Greg your so good for a laugh, you can tell your the biggest nerd talking tough over the net especially talking about your sporting idols as if there your friends truth be known i doubt there are lots of friends in your life. No one cares for south africa.
by kelvin p on June 03, 2008
i dont think i need to read any of gregs articles to understand and comment on what i've read here. poisoning a rugby teams food before the final of a world cup i imagine would involve more than one person and to keep this from the public would be pretty hefty task. personally i just hope the huge political influence in the boks coaching and management doesn't affect their competitiveness against the all balcks and wallabies.
by Mark T on June 03, 2008
The Southern hemisphere has the strongest rugby teams. I think we need to accept that South Africa last season were the worlds best. NZ though cannot be written off. With the new coaching structure, it remains to be seen if SA will dominate as they did under Jake White. Good to see that there is great banter, but I think insulting other nations is pretty juvinile.
by Lemon Squeezer on June 04, 2008
Rubbish! Boks humiliated 49-0 by Australia at home, beaten by All Blacks at home, and finally capped off an inglorious WC campaign with a loss to the Baa Baa's.
"james mortimer, it is nice to see that you are so passionate about the AB's. although you clearly lack a broad understanding of rugby history" Please elaborate on the above statement Kelvin.
by John Cunningham on June 04, 2008
There is no doubt that New Zealand is the greatest, it should be remembered that for NZ and South Africa, Rugby is their national game. In Australia the true national game is Aussie Rules. Only a small portion of the population play Rugby (Union) and they mostly come from exclusive private schools.
by Greg Smith on June 04, 2008
McDonald's is the greatest food known to man... and I'm only smart enough to support the All Blacks - Ronald McDonald (AB head(sic)coach)
by James Mortimer on June 04, 2008
For the record, the All Blacks are not the Mcdonalds of world rugby, and it is not the greatest food. The finest cuisine on the globe is Kentucky Fried Chicken.
by Greg Smith on June 05, 2008
Glad to see your taste of rugby union team and cuisine is consistently crap ! KFC and AB's, hmmmmmm !
by Brad on June 05, 2008
Union in Aussie is probably the number 4 sport behind AFL, League and cricket and is close to be overtaken by soccer and New Zealand is such a small nation with fewer rugby players than south africa shouldnt you be beating us every game...?
by Brad on June 06, 2008
Jealous you cant go to your local kfc or maccas without being shot at or raped ay greg
by SA on June 06, 2008
brad, is that a joke? idiot.
by Nick B on June 06, 2008
I'm in England and have found this website whilst trawling for impartial websites in NZ to keep up with what's going on whilst we're down there. The standard of self-love and introspection in NZ is astounding - talk about being one eyed. We thought the Welsh and Boks were bad but you lot take the biscuit. Why is it that you can't accept that to be rated as the world's best you have to turn up on the day in question and deliver the goods - something that you have proven time and again to be unable to do. In England we can admit that England were probably the 4th best team at the last RWC at best - but they found a way to win though to the final and that's what counts. The team wasn't full of "big time charlies" who thought they had a right to win and had been sheltered by a misguided conditioning program and hampered by a lack of tactical nouse and hard-nosed thinking in a tight game. Please, for your own self respect, get a grip on your delusional self promotion. Take a leaf from the aussie book and compete as hard as you might - but show due respect when you're turned over. Spending tens of thousands of dollars on a flash report to end up blaming the ref for France '07 just provides further evidence to the rest of the world that, whilst you love to win, you can't bear to lose with grace and dignity!!
by Ricky on June 08, 2008
New Zealand is the best team - has been the best team year, year and year out - always celebrating more wins that anyother nation for 100 years. We kiwis are proud of that fact. WE haevnt won the world cup for many of the reason already well stated but we continue to beat teh best of the rest year and year out ....as we did last night.
by bj brown on June 08, 2008
four more years boys, four more years!..
by Lemon Squeezer on June 09, 2008
New Zealand vs England- Played 22, Lost 6, Drawn 1.
All Blacks have played 29 matches against England, won 22, lost only 6 and drawn 1.
New Zealands World Cup record is far and away better than Englands. So stop your bleating!
by sean bowman on June 09, 2008
What a joke this article is
by BM on June 11, 2008
Wallabies will beat nz and sa with ease.. Deans will bring a entertaining style of footy to the aussie team. With Giteau the best 5/8 in the world feeding Mortlock and Tuqiri the cuzzies and boks wont know what hit them just gotta get the scrum going and we will beat everyone.
by Lemon Squeezer on June 11, 2008
Dream on Skippy.
by Fili Tupua on June 12, 2008
Great column mate ... keep it up
by Rugby Lover on August 31, 2008
There is more evidence to support the existence of aliens, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster than there is of the poisoning of the AB's in '95. You show surprising journalistic immaturity for a person writing on an international website.
As posted on another article, but the same applies to James here: <However, it is disappointing that South African supporters state this at every opportunity, despite the fact that it was only New Zealand who defied international conventions and still fielded teams to play the banned Springboks.> Interesting you should use this to try and gain sympathy from the South Africans, especially considering New Zealand was a member of the Commonwealth that UNANIMOUSLY excluded the Springboks from international competitions in the Gleneagles Agreement. New Zealand then invited the Springboks to tour their country in 1981 and they were welcomed by protestors swearing and spitting on them. This in itself was an example of extreme racism by New Zealanders considering the Springboks were NOT the SA government of the day, but merely a sport team eager to measure themselves against their toughest opponents. Hypocrisy to match apartheid! As if that was not enough, New Zealanders then proceeded to throw flour bombs at them from an airplane - a pathetic and childish act that reeked of playground bullying tactics and something the New Zealanders should be ashamed of. Instead here you are trying to score brownie points with selective history of that time... You talk about the South Africans having short memories? Be careful how you measure others, as you might well come to be measured by the same yardstick... Furthermore, the heading you should be writing about is "World Cups - where the All Blacks have got it wrong". Without a doubt and without fail, the All Blacks have gone into every World Cup as the best side in the world, fielding top quality players in ALL positions and as favourites to win the WC. And yet the All Blacks failed in 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007. In your own words - "Is a pattern becoming clear?" On returning to Auckland at the end of October last year I saw a month old poster at the entrance of a big hardware chain store which was advertising tickets for an exclusive early morning breakfast at a popular sports pub in Auckland. Included was a full steak-and-egg breakfast, one free beer, the company of some former greats of the game and a special big screen LIVE transmission of the World Cup Semi Final between the All Blacks and Australia..!! I had to read it a second time to confirm as I could not believe my eyes! A little premature, don't you think? Actions like this, articles like these and opinions like yours - and the majority of bloggers on the sport websites in New Zealand - are the reasons the rest of the world view New Zealanders as arrogant and undignified in defeat. That is the reason why New Zealand has failed at WC's - because of their arrogance, their refusal to accept that supreme quality rugby players and teams exist elsewhere in the world as well and that the All Blacks are NOT unbeatable. It also requires a solid mental approach and commitment on the day to attain the spoils. New Zealand will continue to lose at the World Cup until they are willing and able to get their mental approach and commitment right on the day, as there might not always be just a BIGGER fish, but also a smaller one with superior motivation...
by Clinton Deale on December 07, 2008
AAAh!!!!The great old Rivalry South Africa vs New zealand, my word people make it out that the All Blacks are the greatest rugby nation of all time....what a load of crap! Now don't get me wrong you All Balck fans....yes your team has got some very impressive records, they always play with great intensity....and yes South Africa will always be behind due to apatheid back in the dark days...if you go by your little record games....but with time records are always broken! The Boks came back to international rugby in 1992...and since then have played in four World Cups and won two.....THINK ABOUT IT ALL BLACK FANS!!!!! THE BOKS HAVE BEEN BACK 16 YEARS, AND THE MIGHTY BOKS HAVE BEEN WORLD CHAMPS FOR 8 OF THOSE YEARS.....LONG LIVE SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY......
by Steve Spear on April 13, 2009
Brilliant article. And factually correct. I would put Australia as the second greatest rugby nation followed by England. Unfortunately the South Africans have to much controversy to be considered as a "great" nation, which doesn't mean they can't play.
by Leighton W on April 27, 2009
I think that the 3 Rugby Giants of the world N.Z, Australia, and S.A are the best. I think N.Z is the best country in the World and will continue to be. They have amazing records, and all though they Fail to win the R.W.C they still come out as being the number ranked country in the world, for the last how many years? Check the IRB website. They are a great Rugby Nation as a whole. They are the Junior W.Champs, and the Womens World Champs. They also have the most talented players, and that is because they play from at least 5 years and up, (age group children are really encouraged to play.) Don't get me wrong, these other countries are awesome as well and deserve their wins, and have really closed the gap between the top 5 nations, but as a whole they do not match the superiority of N.Z. Even players from the other coutries are in awe of The All Blacks. It's awsesome when you have a good team as N.Z as other teams are pushed to Grow, and Be challenged, just think if all teams were the same or on par, what sort of games or competitions would their be. There must always be one greater than the others, and that team is The All Blacks.
by Clinton Deale on May 24, 2009
Sorry but your 7's and woman rugby stats are just for the record books. My word Steve Spear...( South Africa have to much controversy to be considered a great rugby nation..that is just ridiculous )..Apartheid is over, and the rainbow nation are World Champs again! Im sorry but the true stats are All Blacks {6 world cups}..1 win...and The Mighty Boks.....{ 4 world cups}..2 wins..where does this prove that the ALL Blacks show they are the Worlds greatest rugby nation...come the biggest rugby tournament every 4 years!!!!! LONG LIVE SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY.
by shaun stinson on June 13, 2009
hahaha the allbakcs New Zealand hold several World Cup records: most points in one match (145 versus Japan in 1995),[81] most cumulative points over all World Cups (1,711),[82] most tries overall (232),[82] and most conversions (173).[82] Several individual players also hold World Cup records; Jonah Lomu for most World Cup tries (15 over two World Cups),[83] most appearances held by Sean Fitzpatrick (17 from 1987 to New Zealand have a winning record against every nation they have played and, with the exception of South Africa, have won at least two thirds of their games against every country. They have won 330 of their 443 matches, a win percentage of 74.49% (see table). By this measure, New Zealand are the most successful international rugby union team ever and one of the most successful teams in world sport. New Zealand Yeah im totaly sure tht SA is the betta team knowing tht the allbakcs have won 12 trinations have the best winning percentage have been number 1 for bout 5-6 yrs in a row even when lsot the world cup so nah mate dont think so
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