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by Ejaz Khan on 31 July 2007
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by Shane Robinson on July 31, 2007
Although I agree with your views on Voronin I have to question pretty much everything else. I saw no evidence that we are any closer to pushing on this year, Torres and Babel have failed to impress in my book, looking no better and sometimes worse than some of our youth teamers who got a run pre-season. Now, I am not raining on their parade already, all I am saying is I think your optimism is ill founded at best and nothing I have seen pre-season points to us having improved in leaps and bounds. Momo's passing? I'm afraid it's as atrocious as ever and being honest, it should have improved at this stage but going on last season it actually seememd to be getting worse. Momo getting forward against weak opposition pre-season is hardly Rafa trying new things. It's not the same as piling forward against a Premiership side that will punish the space you leave behind you. Let's wait and see, every year we hear this nonsense and every year we blow it before it even gets going. Happy with Voronin & Benayoun but the o
other two have yet to convince. I am sure they will but they have not done so in pre-season so I have no idea where your unabated optimism is coming from
by S. W ainwright on July 31, 2007
Shane Robinson, which part of Liverpool were you born - Berkshire? If you can't see LFC having success what's the point posting on this site? No mates to discuss the match with? Get into the Arkles or the Harry to voice your pessimism. Otherwise button it.
Excuse me Wainright but is this not a discussion forum where opinions are expressed? I didn't realise it was 'here we go again with the title talk' page. Point is, let's just wait and see, Ejaz's piece has no foundation to it and I am saying pre-season has not really shown us anything different. If I can't see us having success what's the point posting on this site???? You knob jockey, because you can say what you like here twat. Boo hoo for you if you can't be objective, correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't won it in 17 years so I think that allows me some caution. Idiot. I prefer the Park myself sweetheart.
by Pete on July 31, 2007
Optimism is healthy, no point living in a neagative, i think defense is our small weak point, i worry if we lose JC to injury we may be a little vunerable but i am sure we will strengthen in that department, Torres has showed some class and determination not giving the ball up, how people expect him to settle in when he has barely played 60 mins on the pitch is so fickle! We are in a far better position and far stronger than last season so stick with the optimism!
by Hads on July 31, 2007
Im sorry Shane Robinson, but have you actually seen momo playing during the pre-season, the fact that you say his passing hasnt got any better, gives me the impression you havent! And as for going forward against premiership opposition (as opposed to the weaker pre-season opposition) if im not mistaken, is portsmouth not in the premiership? Im sorry, but momo is playing out of his socks, i wouldnt be surprised if he actually scores a few goals this season, Mascherano better be on top of his game, because its going to take alot to beat momo this season..... the only player in my opinion not to live up to expectation (so far) because of the hype surrounding his age and also the many pounds we have spent for his services, is Babel..... but i said so far. i think once rafa decides where he wants babel to play this season (and also once babel gets used to the pace of the league) im sure he would repay us threefold
by Shiggsy on July 31, 2007
I can't sit back and read this tripe any longer. I'd like to know which games you've been watching where Momo's passing has been better? Once again, against Portsmouth, the pundits were blinded by his workrate. Fair enough, the guy runs around like a blue-ar*ed fly and can put a mean tackle in, but the passing is absolutely atrocious. Guaranteed, every time the guy wins the ball, he tries the wrong pass and has to win it back again. Just like last season, he contents himself with his own personal game... tackle, give it away, tackle, give it away. I'd much rather see Mascherano in the middle with Gerrard, Momo, for all his defensive worth just doesn't have the technical ability to hold down a first team place. Xabi had better pull his socks up too, as after the lame season he had last year, he has got a bit to prove.
Ok folks, I feel the need to settle the crowd here before somoen starts crying. I am far from pessimistic, it seems well founded caution passes for pessimism these days. It doesn't. Try not to be so knee jerk and gung-ho, getting the claws out the moment someone, even one of your own, suggests that a title push may not be a foregone conclusion. I have spent too many years getting hyped up pre-season only to be gutted before Christmas. If we can get at least 4 points from our opening two games I'll be well happy. Until then, we'll wait and see. Yes Hads, I saw Momo play, his passing still needs a lot of work.
by Ejaz Khan - Author on July 31, 2007
You proudly display the liverpool logo next to your name, but I don't actually think you really support the Reds. There is a marked difference between constructive criticism from supporters and just blind pessimism from people like Shame Robinson.PLease define the term "Supporter" it is possible that I was taught incorrectly at school.
I agree with you Shane, every year, there's the discussion amongst us fans... "This is the year, we're going to win it". After 17 years of the same speculation, you kind of get numbed to it. Hopefully, I'll have changed my mind by Christmas. For the first time in years we actually have a good enough squad, but I think it'll take a while for our new signings to bed in. In this cut-throat industry that is the premiership, there just isn't time at the start of the season to let them bed in like that... remember Crouch's 24 hours without a goal? Every game counts, which is why I think it's more likely next year than this.
by frank on July 31, 2007
Shane Robinson, though this is a forum for opinion, to sound so negative and dismissive of the article while not substantiating your overly pessimistic approach leads me to think you a blue nose or worse a manure. Don’t get me wrong, we are all entitled to an opinion, it’s just that you’re too far on the negative side to be a true red. It could be you are a red in a middle of a rather deep depression, which should explain you attitude, but otherwise, I think you are no red.
by KopMadnezz on July 31, 2007
No Idea about football I guess.... 2 people who has hardly done any pre season training is not expected to play in a match and shine dude!!!!! Football is a team game. There is a reason why Vorinin and bena.... they have got the time to be with the rest! What maximum they can show is some good touches and glimises of what tyhey could do and this they have SHOWN! Give them time to settle! Before puting up stupid comments!
by S. Wainwright on July 31, 2007
[quote]Excuse me Wainright but is this not a discussion forum where opinions are expressed? I didn't realise it was 'here we go again with the title talk' page. Point is, let's just wait and see, Ejaz's piece has no foundation to it and I am saying pre-season has not really shown us anything different. If I can't see us having success what's the point posting on this site???? You knob jockey, because you can say what you like here twat. Boo hoo for you if you can't be objective, correct me if I'm wrong but we haven't won it in 17 years so I think that allows me some caution. Idiot. I prefer the Park myself sweetheart. [/quote] "Knob jockey", "sweetheart"? Best stay in the Park - behind the bushes?
by Crazy Wolf, Norway on July 31, 2007
First of all: let`s wait and see how things work out this season. I believe McManaman today made a realistic assessment of LFC`s title chances, the club do still have a lot of ground to make up on the top two. But I also believe we`re moving in the right direction. The Mancs set the standard last season with their attacking flair and expressive displays and simply outgunned the opposition, but they had a perfect season and it won`t happen twice. I believe Liverpool will surpass them sooner rather than later. However, the transformation of LFC into a modern superclub (and by that I mean organization and economics and not history) will be an ongoing process for years to come. These are Benitez` words, not mine. But: if we (1) get off to a flying start, (2) start beating our main rivals on a regular basis, and (3) avoid injuries to key players, well, then we might have something to celebrate come May.
Superb comments, thank you to all of you who question my support. When you stand over your crushed cousin, helpless sand terrified ay Hillsborrough you come back to me. How dare you question me. Clearly you know everything about me. I bet none of you spent over £1000 getting to both European Cup finals in recent seasons and how many of you were in Rome in '84? I am not going to assume anything as most of you seem to have done so freely. You're all welcome to your wet dreams, absolutely pathetic that when caution is expressed such vitriol spews forth. My comment simply qiestioned Ejaz' evidence to back up the optimism. Nothing wrong with optimism but I never once got abusive or agressive towards him. It's pathetic that my own brethern have launched such an attack and I am ashamed I allowed myself to be dragged into it responding to Wainright. I do agree with CJM, I fail to see what part of the city your are from has to do with your support. United fans aren't this agressive towards us yet here you all are, te
tearing me apart for disagreeing with some points on someone's article. I simply stated from the beginning we have seen no reason to expect a huge jump forward and let's be hoenst, we haven't! I was at pains to say I am not making decisions on the new boys after a few showings and they will no doubt come good but based on recent showings they have a lot to do! I read the article, I commented on it, I wasn't talking off the cuff. Momo's pasing is still atrocious, that I will stand by and if you think it isn't then I cannot help you. One man clearly shares my current views and future hopes of Torres & Babel, I wonder woudl you be so agressive towards him? http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/010 0news/tm_headline=fernando-torres-and-ryan-babel-8216 -need-to-improve-8217%26method=full%26objectid=195419 08%26siteid=50061-name_page.html
by Pablo Escobar on July 31, 2007
I haven't seen much of the pre-season action but I do know that Ejaz has a soft-spot for Momo as he's written similar rubbish in the past - for some reason he objects to the abbreviation 'Momo', yet was happy to use 'Didi' for Deitmar. Anyway, Ejaz writes rubbish, Shane's simply telling the truth.
by Tom Harness on July 31, 2007
First of all Sissoko, his passing still is very bad and although he works harder than anyone else at winning the ball back and does succeed, what is the point if he passes it straight back to the opposition, and he will be a liability to the team until Rafa can somehow make him more comfortable on the ball and stop him from making panicky attempts to pass the ball to a teammate, and yes i have seen all our pre-season games and he has not shown that he has improved. On the Torres and Babel situation, its much too early to judge them, Torres will probably settle in but Babel because of his age may take at least a season to settle. Voronin looks very good but El Zhar has also looked as impressive as any of the new signings. But it is a way too early to make any sort of judgement on any player. Lets see after a month of Prem action how many of the above predictions are correct.
by Liverpoool on July 31, 2007
Thank you RAFA.
by Big Stan on July 31, 2007
If any of you know anything about football why are you reading into the teams and players performances in pre-season games??? They are there for physical and match fitness, and maybe to try the odd new tactic or two... so how on earth you can draw your oh so detailed "OPINIONS" from a few games is beyond me. And as for Momo... you seem to all have very short term memory.. only at the beginning of the season he was getting MOM's every week and only if you was watching the game realise how effective he was at doing the role he was given....now by no means am I not saying he passing and form didn't dip dramatically, and oh it did, but the lad nearly went blind, which he is not 100% recovered from and had various other injuries which Im sure we could name a few other players would have not come back as quick as him. If your gonna comment on Liverpool make sure your "opinion" comes from watching the games and not copying the thoughts of listening or reading in the media. And Shane...
Shane... why bring your cousins name into a unrelated insignificant argument like this. Thoughtless.
Pablo wannabe gangster Escobar...your football knowledge s**t then?
by sean on July 31, 2007
ITS PRE SEASON! OF COURSE UR NOT GOING TO SEE THE REAL STRENGTHS OF TORRES AND BABEL GET REALL LADS LIVERPOOL FOR PREMIERSHIP TITLE