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by Jaimie Kanwar on 24 November 2007
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Steven Gerrard’s abject ability as a captain was exposed once again as England suffered ignominious defeat against Croatia. I’ve said it once and I will say it again: Gerrard is not a leader. He does not have the strength of character, the fighting mentality or motivational power to be an effective captain and this has been proven time and time again for club and country. England were wretched in every respect, and the so-called ‘Golden Generation’ were exposed for what they really are - limited, technically inept prima donnas, drunk on their own hype, whose competitive edge and work ethic has been dulled by rampant egos and shameful avarice. 'Gerrard does not have the strength of character, the fighting mentality or motivational power to be an effective captain and this has been proven time and time again for club and country'For once, Alan Hansen had the guts to tell it like it is when he said: ‘'I can't believe how poor Steven Gerrard was'’. Gerrard has been poor for England for a long time, but his international failings have been glossed over by the fawning media and the blind faith brigade who refuse to accept the truth. Yes – I said Gerrard is NOT world class. The media hype him and every other English player with a smidgen of talent as ‘world class’ but the evidence does not support this hollow assertion. If Gerrard IS world class, where is the proof? I can already guess the response from the ‘Gerrard can do no wrong’ club: But what about that goal he scored against Olympiakos? What about Istanbul? What about the FA Cup Final? But Alex Ferguson said so!
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by CK CK on November 22, 2007
Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Cruyff, Platini, Beckenbauer, Puskas, Eusebio, Pele.. They have their team built around them. Gerrard is restricted by McClaren tactics. Enough said
by Matthew on November 22, 2007
Stupid article
by Chegs on November 22, 2007
I almost got past the first line without laughing, but couldnt help myself. You tell me a better English midfielder that could do his job today (and if you say Lumplard, I will personally come to whereever u are at and kick the crap out of you). Englands 2 best players last night were Crouch and Gerrard, which says little as they were all sh*t. You write like a 4 year old kid and seem to hold similiar opinions on football also...
by Jaimie on November 22, 2007
As I highlighted in my article - same old excuses. Always someone to blame for Stevie's failings. Steve McClaren has to take some of the blame BUT the players must take the most blame. After all is said and done. there are 11 players on the pitch playhing football. Tactics have nothing to do with their inability to keep the ball, their lack of skill, creativity and woeful technique. besides, Whenever Gerrard has played in his so-called 'best position' for England, he has failed - prime example being world cup 2006.
by Docker on November 22, 2007
Number one .. why should SG be the leader in the first place. Number two he does a fine job with liverpool, he has pulled them out of the fire many times. Fact is he cant carry 6 or 7 olayers .. No one can! Face it apart from 4 or maybe 5 core players the england squad is average.
Peter Crouch was the only player to emerge with any real credit. How exactly was Gerrard one of the best players? Please explain. What did he do? What was his specific impact? What chances did he create? How did he benefit the team. England were 2-0 down after 20 odd mins in what was basically a rerun of the Milan CL final first half - midfield overrun because of Gerrard's lack of organisational ability. You can go on about how good Gerrard is but where is the PROOF on the international stage?
You ask 'why should Stevie G be the leader in the first place?'. Is this a joke? He was ther CAPTAIN. It's his JOB to lead! Furthermore, we all know how Gerrard loves England and surely covets the Captaincy. He wanted it. He got it. He failed. Miserably. But of course, it's everyone else's fault - Gerrard had to 'carry others' and all that jazz. I disagree. Gerrard was just as much of a liabilty Lampard, SWP or the woeful Wayne Bridge.
Why is this an examination of gerrard. He wasnt the only one who Failed. What a stupid topic to bring up!! As if he has any other glowing role models in the english team. Forget scapegoats .. average team and a muppet manager.. end of!
by rdless on November 22, 2007
Every player in the world is entitled to have a stinker. Gerrard IS a world class player and anyone who cannot see that is void of football knowledge. If you are looking for a scapegoat, then look no further than the manager. He chooses the tactics, He chooses the formation, He chooses the players and He should be the one motivating them. 4-5-1 was never going to work. He only changed it to accommodate Lumplard and Gerrard. He then took off Barry instead of Lampard and left huge gaps for Croatia to stroll through. I don't dislike Lampard but the manager has to make a choice between him & Gerrard and go with it.
by R8VVY on November 22, 2007
As a liverpool fan I agree that Gerrard should not be in the England Squad along with crouch and any other liverpool player. Why waste such talent playing with the likes of Lampard!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL this guy is an idiot or what!!!!!!
by Jay on November 22, 2007
Ridiculous article...no facts..no basis just obvious disregard for both sides of the opinion...let alone the fact that it's obvious you don't like Gerrard...didn't know it was just him against Croatia?? Sometimes i wonder if you writers just write this crap to extract a response which isn't writing it's propaganda?!?!
Gerrard wasn't the only one who failed. Everyone did. However, as the Captain and the epitomy of overhyped England, Gerrard deserves more scrutiny in my view. A real leader on the pitch could have made all the difference. A Souness or a Keane out there could have driven England through. The question is, when gerrard goes on and on about how he loves england and how the game is so important, why was his display as a player and Captain so passionaless and muted? I don't often quote Alan Hansen, but given that he is one of Gerrard's biggest fans and perpetuates a lot of the hype, for him to say that he 'can't remeber gerrard playing so poorly' is quite something. And it's true.
by 1979 on November 22, 2007
goals in an FA Cup Final, League Cup Final, UEFA Cup Final & Champions League Final. Is Steven Gerrard. This article is the perfect example of a short sighted knee jerk reaction. He had a poor game. But so did many others. Dont blame one player. When England got back in the game, did Mclaren change his system? No. Englang players bombed forward, and were caught by a quick break. The manager should have calmed things down and instructed his men to get behind the ball when they werent in posession.
I agree - every player has off days, but Gerrard has had an off day for England that has lasted the last 6 years. Since the Germandy 5-1 hammering, gerrard has played Euro 2004, WC 2006 and countless qualifiers. He has not had ANY IMPACT. If he has, please explain what it is. Oh sorry, I forgot - he scored against the mighty Trinidad and Tobago at WC 2006. Pele won the World Cup 3 times. To compare him to gerrard is an insult to Pele.
by bulldoze on November 22, 2007
perhaps you should play by yourself... you can put Gerrard on the bench... do you think England can win.... you asked him to carry everyone coz' he's captain?? make lampard as captain...the end result should be same... you should stop writing as i don't think you have any idea of what you write!!!!!!
by JD on November 22, 2007
England r a small club and yes i think gerrard shouldnt play for them. y waste his time playing for a small club with a small club mentality? i dont think any liverpool players should waste their time playing for england. and the whole talk of motivation? did u watch the 05 cl final and the 06 FA Cup final? fact is 5 english players in the whole squad played in the cl and thats cos fact is most english players r shite. u r a disgruntled united fan who hates everything scouse arent u?
it doesn't. It makes him an effective domestic player. This is not a knee-jerk reaction - I have been highlighting the same thing for the last 5 years. The fact is, Gerrard has failed CONSISTENTLY on the international stage. if he was world class, he would have risen above all the crap and had some kind of major impact somewhere. He hasn't. And it's not jkust Gerrard - England have NO world Class players. The only player who has come close in recent years is Michael Owen, who HAS done the business consistently on the international stage.
by MaarkusJ on November 22, 2007
Gerrard is a useless leader, he looks like he may be in need of a guide dog last night. Lets hope with Mcclaren gone he is next to follow.
But .. england didnt fail because gerrard had a bad game and if so why didnt the boss pull him off and not barry. He was trying to prove that gerrard and lampard can play together .. display his tactical nouse! Any one with eyes can see that pair dont work together ... liverpool saw this years ago with gerrard .. hes not a holding player.. thats why he plays so well for liverpool coz he has a platform with hamann (in the past) or macherano. His platform was lampard!! ... who wanted to do the same thing. England for the last few years have tried to get the best 11 players on the pitch rather than a functional "team". Players shoe-horned into the wrong position just so they are on the pitch in case they score a wonder goal. 11 players only but they have to have role and structure. When you loose that you have a expensive pub team ... everyone wants to be number 9
by funkyboy on November 22, 2007
yea, jaimie is a 4 year old man u fan. u really think a good captain would have saved england?
by AS on November 22, 2007
That is the most pathetic atricle I'e ever read. The simple fact is that a part from Gerrard and Rooney England don't have any other world class players and thats why they didn't qualify. And the fact that they keep hiring dodgey managers!
by KENYAN on November 22, 2007
Jaimie - There were 12 games played and Gerrard was a Stand in captain for the last two - Other teams book their sport during the first 10 games. Where was the leadership then? You are nothing but a disgrace to journalism
by John Q on November 22, 2007
Im sorry but you are completely wrong Jaimie - Gerrard is not the epitomy of overhyped England - Lampard is. Fact is England didnt have their strongest team on, had a rookie goalie, weak defence, average wingers and played one man up front 1st half - noone could have organised that bunch - what was Gerrard supposed to do with those two early goals? Even Keane and Souness lost some big games and underperformed at times - it happens in football. Gerrard at least looked like he was tring in trecherous conditions but he needed help - only crouch, gerrard, campbell, lescott, looked like they were giving their all - the rest were very very poor and lampard and barry especially so
re mcClaren. He probably was hoping Gerrard/lampard would click. But come on, he's not going to take gerrard off, regardless of how badly he was playing. McClaren doesn't have the balls to do a Rafa, and even id he DID, England have no one who can come on and change the game anyway. McClaren has to take some of the blame, but as I argued earlier, the players should take the majority of blame. Football isn't rocket science. As Bill Shankly endlessly propounded: Control the ball, pass it to your nearest team-mate and stick it in the net. England players can't even control the ball consistently...
by Ciaran on November 22, 2007
Hey, firstly I would like to anounce that I am a Liverpool fan. Call it bias if you will but I firmly believe you are just looking for a scapegoat to explain all the questions in your head. Initially we all blamed Maclaren, and rightly so... now I believe you feel slightly guilty and start to blame players more so Gerarrd as he is an easy target. He is captin, a world-class player (although didn't look it last night) and is always in the media spotlight. I think Gerarrd never preforms well for England... he is a club player through and through if that were Liverpool last night I can gaurentee you he would have done more to turn the game around as he usually does... Blame Maclaren and Bridge for complete incompetence...
Are you suggesting that impact on the international stage has *nothing* to do with being labelled 'world class'? Since Gerrard has never had an impact on the international stage, how is he world class. Same goes for Rooney. How exactly is he world class?! Yet more paper hype. Roony had a chance to prove his world class abaility at the last world cup. The shype was all about 'Rooney the saviour!' and what happened? He got sent off.
by yournoliverpoolsupporter on November 22, 2007
What is it with you, you claim to be a liverpool supporter and yet every article you write seems designed to attack them, if you're not attacking Rafa you're having a go at gerrard. You know what I think I think you're a manc in disguise. Take your obviously biased viewpoint and place it gently where the sun shineth not.
by jmashcerano on November 22, 2007
surely you dont mean the world cup where gerrard was the only player who showed determination and creativity and scored a 1/3 of all of englands goals 2 out of 6 yes he was poor last night but so was everyone bar crouch
Thanks for your sum-up Jaimie: "England have no one who can come on and change the game anyway" .. so thats not Stevie G's fault i dont think. PS: i sence a LFC vendeta in your writings, maybe i am wrong :-)
by rouman on November 22, 2007
its people like you who run the FA know nothinks, SG is the only world class player england have got. your head is so far up your arse you can,t see the daylight. i have seen pele. best, charlton, all play like shite at times that does not make them not world class. who ever gave you the idea you could ever make a usefull writer should be sacked along with you...
by Jim on November 22, 2007
I cant quite believe this website lets a retard like you write!! You mention a number of players (Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Cruyff, Platini, Beckenbauer, Puskas, Eusebio, Pele etc). You hva eonly picked the greatest players to have ever played the game!! In this generation Gerrard IS world class. You cant compare him against people of a different age and ultimately type of football. You also slag his leadership qualities? Do you think the result would have been different if Terry had been there, maybe we should called up Bryan Robson for the big game last night!! Englands best ever captain was Bobby Moore, and you never saw him ranting or raving, he lead by example just as Gerrard does. Gerrard had a poor game last night, but it is interesting how he played so much better without Lampard next to him for 3 games!! You are a fanny mate!!!!
by james on November 22, 2007
Hey your saying gerrard is crap, well sir you have no idea what your talking about, he made countless runs yesterday, he also made that sliding takle to save the ball getting to the other side of the pitch, where was golden balls beckham it was his lack of tracking back that left that gap that nearly exposed a clear opening, and look when the 3rd goal did come which side was it... thats right side side beckham was playing....you see the problem, too many people wanted to attack and noone wanted to defend, like gerrard said they should have shut up shop but no shite tactics made them pay the price.
I am a Liverpool fan - the difference between me and many others is that I prefer to subject today's Liverpool to the superior standards set by the Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish. By that, I mean the true Liverpool philiosophy instilled by Shankly and the boot room. Standards of grace, humility, class, pass and move, fairness, work ethic etc. Modern football and players like Steven Gerrard make a mockery of everything LFC stands for, which is why I am so critical. I've always taken pride in the fact that LFC were different to every other club in terms of sheer class on and off the field. That is being eroded, and sooner or later, we will be just like Chelsea: Classless and graceless.
by uptheirons on November 22, 2007
nuff said
by M@tt on November 22, 2007
That's article is just bull shit, Gerrard is a superb player & I think that every one who KNOWNS FOOTBALL WELL will agree with me
by Sachi on November 22, 2007
This article is a lot of nonsense. We , liverpool supporters are critical of gerrard when he's not playing well, but in order for him to be a success, he needs to have quality players around him. You talk of Pele, Ronaldinho, Cruyff and whoever else you mention, but do you realise that they play in a different role than Gerrard? they are creative midfielders and strikers, so by your definition, being worldclass means playing in that position. Plus i'm sorry but ronaldinho... tremendous skills but consistently delivered on the world cup stage? did u watch the last world cup? Gerrard was passionate about what he did yesterday and got his hands dirty alright. the tactical approach for this game was out of order, and I believe that McClaren has a big part of responsibility. England were toothless last night, barely any shots on target... how can you score if you don't take shots? They lost the game because they got outsmarted tactically by Bilic. That's pretty sad... and as one of the other posters said, if you
My argument is, gerrard cannot be considered world class because he has consistently failed to have any kind of impact on the international stage. If he IS world class, please explain why he is....
by arun on November 22, 2007
dude u must have been smoking sum good shite when you wrote this article......
How did Gerrard make a mockery of Liverpool? what about you make your next article about that? should be a good laugh... you think that if shanks was the manager today, gerrard would not be playing? can you explain why?
I merely reeled off the first names that came to mind. There are many more, but I shouldn't have to list them all. The point is, they can be classed as world class for obvious reasons. Ronaldinho? Instrumental in Brazil winning the World Cup in 2002. Instrumental in the Brazil's qualification for World Cup 2006, finishing top scorer, scoring crucial goals that got them to the finals. That is a consistent, measurable impact on the team. Where is Gerrard's consistent, measurable impact on the England team? And once again I ask, if he is world class, please explain why.
by Simo on November 22, 2007
Against andorra england didnt seem to be doing anything, suddendly the lad took the game by the scruff of the neck and scored 2. He's not world class if he cant do it on the international stage? WHY??? George Best IMO even as a liverpool fan was the worlds best player, how many world cup medals had he got? How did he do at international level? Was he not world class because of this? Stevie has performed at the highest level, competing with kaka, viera, Keane and nearly all of the worlds best midfielders and whats more in what was until this season a team filled with more mediocre players than excellant he's still got a medal collection only missing ONE!
by DOA on November 22, 2007
You are a Man U fan, and I claim my £5. Seriously, why are all your articles aimed at LFC? I tried to engage in debate with you in a previous article, until I read the other's you'd done, and realised I was wasting my time. You dislike us. Fair enough. Why don't you try doing something positive with your time, instead of writing bitter twisted "articles" (and I use that term loosely), try and do something good with your "skills."
Then you are living in serious denial, besides all the ridiculous, ignorant public comments and his ill advised book, twice threatening to leave for Chelsea, despite being captain of his hometown club made a mockery of LFC. And let us not understate the debacle that was summer 2004 - it was horrible and not what is expected of a Liverpool captain. Woulod Shanks have had him in his team? NO. He would have dumped him as soon as he said the words 'I want to play for Chelsea'. Any 'fan' who disputes that simply has no idea about Liverpool FC.
its tricky to define .. after all George best is regarded as having been world class but he never played at a euro or world cup, the same goes for giggs in his day and also pat jennings. World class means he has the talent and attributes to play in 99% of the teams in the world. But all players have off days (inc ones on your list) and if you have to chase around covering players .. like SG has to for england it makes his job harder and he has less time to show his class. The players you mentioned are pure flair players .. thats not gerrards game anyway
by Browny on November 22, 2007
Stop living in the past. The Shank/Pais teams won lots and dominated, but that doesnt mean it would beat the current team! The other teams in the league have improved massively since the days when Liverpool were the Richest and most powerful. MOVE ON
by Z Kay on November 22, 2007
Gerrard had a bad game, he didnt perform to his true level. Which of the 11 fielded last night did peform? Only crouch. Wayne Bridge was pathetic, SWP had a chance he wasted. other than the penalty what did Lampard do? You are surely a anti liverpool writer. Since i find it impossible that you only pick on gerrard. how was he to blame for the English players kicking everything to crouch and lacking creativity? If a captain is surrounded by quality he can lead. If the captain is held responsible for a goalkeeping blunder, poor service from bridge, missed chances from SWPhilips and a formation that is negative. Then the captain should follow jamie Carragher and DUMP england.
Docker come up with something original ;)
by Abhishek on November 22, 2007
Bah, what a poor article, Gerrard is the most complete football player ever, sadly he is not given enough support, on the field & it is further extended by such articles. Sad Really Sad
..eh giggs, rush, jennings, best, all missed out on major finals. Anyway SG is world class, if put up for sale he would be taken by 99.9% of the top teams, if thats not a statment of his class i dont know what is.
by kutawa on November 22, 2007
Then by your stupid reasoning, George Best, Paul Gasgoine, and countless others like Johan Cruyff who never won a world cup are NOT world class... We cannot explain how Gerrard is world class, watch him play god damn it! Thats how you know.. Steven Gerrard, devoid of skill????????????????? The world has gone absolutely bonkers! This whole internet thing is a mess and it really needs to start being policed, such thoughts should be censored and avoided like the plague.
by MAGICSPACEMONKEY on November 22, 2007
Fortunately we have the opinion of those in a position to judge to share our views with, you have blatantly failed to mention that not only the players, managers and coaches that have worked with Gerrard recognise he is a world class player but so to do the opposition who have dueled with him on the pitch, i see no mention of this in your article! Football is a team game, you have also failed to realise this, Gerrard is just 1 of 11 players on the pitch who under achieved yet you lay the blame wholely upon Gerrards shoulders, it is up to every player to stand up and be counted not just 1, yet you expect Gerrard to lead the way and the rest to follow like sheep. You have already undermined your own argument and and stripped yourself and your article of any credidibility by quting Alan Hansen when he said he can't ever remember Gerrard playing so poorly, in other words, it's been such a long time since Gerrard has had a bad game. Thank you for sharing your opinion though, it's certainly provided me a laugh tod
I'm not living in the past. The standards of conduct set by previous generations of LFC managers/players should be eternal. it's not about winning everything, it's about conducting yourself in the proper Liverpool FC way. Threatening to leave TWICE for Chelsea and publicly saying that England are more important than Liverpool is not the LFC way, and it is NOT how the Captain should be behaving. I am critical because I mourn the loss of the special something that set Liverpool apart from the rest. The sprit and attitude of the likes of Emlyn Hughes, Dalglish, Yeats et al is being eroded, and I hate that.
You know what, summer 2005 (im assuming you are talking about) was exactly what we needed, ableit we could have done it in a different way but gerrard stood up and said that he feels his team did not want him anymore and that that's why he thought of leaving. he never said he wanted to play for chelsea (find me some quotes if u will). Following these events of 2005, the board decided to move and realize that if they don't do something soon, they would lose more than just their captain. Investment was found and we are now entering a very important phase in lfc's history. When gerrard enters the pitch he shows passion and determination that only Carra comes close to match. Shanks would have had Gerrard in his team, and he probably would have been his captain too. On another note, if you want to be considered a journalist, find some better ways of replying to criticism.
... what i was saying was i just said the same thing about best never doing anything at international level. International football doesnt show world class players, playing against the best in the world does. Theres only one english player the coaches of argentina and brazil the 2 best teams in the world would want in there squads and thats our stevie
by Ash on November 22, 2007
i dont see you out there? its easy just to open your big mouth eh?
by Voro is god on November 22, 2007
Haha! What else to expect from Jaimie "gerrard-hater" Kanwar. I don't understand why you lads bother to continue reading Jaimie's articles about Gerrard. It's the same stupid arguments again and again. A bad Gerrard performance and Jaimie K will be the first on his back, but guess what you'll never hear anything from him during Gerrard's good days. Looks like Jaimie K still hasn't gotten over Gerrard not signing for chelski, which as much as I remember, he was so happy about at that time.
Lets see previous articles by you "How long will Liverpool fans stand for benitez's vendetta against crouch" Why steven gerrard's not worth a place in Rafa's best liverpool 11 How liverpool failed Momo Sissoko Need I say more, you are a manc, Its the only thing i can imagine,that as a manc you are so twisted with your hatred for Liverpool that you assume the identity of a supposed Liverpool supporter in order to give your venemous articles some credibility. Guess what, It isn't working Frankly if you are a liverpool supporter, then find somebody else to support, because we have enough proper supporters and no need for hateful people who are living in a past that their probably not old enough to even remember. Shankley would have been disgusted to read your articles and would have in all likelyhood sent you to the bottom of his garden to watch the play
by MaradonnasBelly on November 22, 2007
Gerrard is worldclass. He is an attacking midfielder. He may not be the best tackler in the world, but I believe he is told to hold back on the ferocity of tackling to remain injury free and leave it to Massy and Sissoko at pool. What he does, he does well, covers lots of yards, attacks, passes,crosses, scores. He doesn't fart around with the ball. He does his bread and butter better than most (not all, there are better out there but not in England). Lampard comes close but thats it. Scholes in his prime would have matched him. Now in terms of leadership, he is no Roy Keane.He leads by example, he is not mr Motivator like Terry, but at the same time he is a better leader than beckham was. They should have amputated Beckhams right foot at birth and given it to Gerrard, coz that's all Beckham is- a right foot. So overall Gerrard is not the best leader in the world at all, but when Terry is injured he's all they have. England will never be a world-class unit until they sort out the grass roots style of
It clearly makes you feel better to label me a 'Manc in disguise'. Well, whatever. I don't need to prove my fan credentials to you or anyone. I've written lots of positive stuff about LFC over the years. Indeed, I've written positive articles about Peter Crouch and Sami Hyypia recently. You can keep burying your head in the sand, but the Liverpool I love is dying, and Gerrard is one of the executioners.
by sgfrankie on November 22, 2007
Crap post....I bet u never played any soccer.......this ain't a drinking spree!!
by hot shot gerrard on November 22, 2007
I thought I was the only person who could see how over-hyped Steven Gerard is. Well done Jamie on pointing his very obvious flaws. Words cant describe how I loathe this egotistic moron and all he stands for. He spouts about players diving yet he is at it all the time, he wants liverpool to be a great team again then calls for a limit on foreign players. He runs about like a headless chicken and hasnt the discipline to play in CM. People claim he won liverpool the CL but in reality it was his poor control of the midfield in the 1st half that nearly cost them the game and if it wasnt for a proper player like Hamannm then Milan would have won it. Surely all his midfield partners like Scholes, Lampard, Carrick and Hargreaves aren't to blame????
by Ian Fenech on November 22, 2007
Man you need to wake up and start smelling the coffee!!!!! It is the system that was wrong all the way with nobody knowing what the hell they were supposed to do. If anything the liverpool players were always the better one's on the field. What you should be commenting about is the fact then whenever and English game comes up, mysteriously all the man utd players are injured. Could be Ferguson is the cunning one and doesn't want his players to waste time and energy ................. What the English need is a coach with 'B***s'. How can one lead if nobody understands Mc Laren's tactics. I always said he wasn't the one for the job. Who looses a final 5-0.....................
You actually make excuses for Gerrard's Chelsea conduct AND try and say it was a positive thing?! This is the problem with modern football and modern fans: They love the players so much and treat them like gods, to the extent that when they do something worthy of rebuke, they give them a pass and make excuses! There is no excuse for Gerrard's conduct over the Chelsea debacle. It's depressing =how you can say it was the club's fault. Gerrard sulked like a kid because LFC didn't bow down and worship him 5 seconds after the CL final. It wasn;t the contract issue that irked him - he wanted more money commensurate with his own perceived importance. When it wasn't forthcoming, he threw a strop.
by Tony on November 22, 2007
Yawn
by Nozzy on November 22, 2007
Dont mean to offend you, but you really do come across as some sort of mong. Gerrards been much better playing alongisde Barry in a midfield 2, so what does McLaren do? Brings in Fatty Lamps and f***s it up again. And the simple fact is, England isnt Liverpool. This is why Terry was made captain in the first place, Stevie is Liverpool first and England second and thats a fact. I'd love to know what makes a world-clas midfielder if Stevie isnt one? Pray tell Jaimie.....
by Scott on November 22, 2007
Hallelujah. An article for once highlighting the fact Sir Stevie ME MBE is NOT world class, and never will be. And it seems (judging from a few moans and groans coming out in the media) they are finally coming round to that too. Listen, as an staunch Lampard supporter I can always give a fair and unbiased view of him and when he plays for England, he has been poor. A LOT! BUT, for some reason Lampard is an excuse for Gerrard to perform poorly, or if Gerrard is performing poorly it is never his fault, always someones elses. In fact people ask when was Lampards last good performance for England, well when was Sir Stevies? Well tell me this, where was this magical captain in Russia when we lost 2-1, where was this magical captain last night, when we lost 3-2? He was running round like a headless chicken, delivering hollywood, 60 yarder balls to no one that's where. Sorry Sir Stevie Gerrard, you may have pulled the wool over a lot of peoples eyes but world class you aint!
by vasa on November 22, 2007
I think the writer of this article is ourely Jealous of Steven Gerrad or he is guy and clearly in love with him but wont admit it. Steve Mclaren is the nigger in the woodpile . He left out Owen Hargreaves so no holding midfielder. Secondly David Beckham is sitting on the bench, Thirdly Scott Carson should not have been playing. David James with all his experience would have done a far better job, Joleon lescott and Sol Campbell looked out of sorts and that is how the goals came. It was pouring with rain and the conditions were not good either. The team had lots of injuries and they missed key players. Some players were clearly not playing the same game yesterday. SWP had a clear chance and fluffed it. Peter Crouch needed a link up striker and non was provided for 45 Minutes. Blame useless Steve Mclaren and not Stevie G. The manager is useless. The team almost saved his blushes. His technical team leaves much to be desired and man the man is clueless. Good he got sacked and about time. Please write sense next
The liverpool you love is not dying, it never existed. The difference is that we have people like you who read Tabloids as if they are gospel and then write stupid articles based on other peoples stupid articles. Let me tell you something, my memories of Liverpool are as sound as anybody's. I remember graham souness and tommy smith, players who in the modern game would not be able to make a living they would spend so much time seeing red cards. The Liverpool you talk about is the one where Shankly spent half his time making rude comments about Everton. Do you see my point, You have read the sun too often, that liverpool isn't real, we were a team that won at all costs and did it better than anybody else. The world has moved on and its about time you did. And no it doesn't make me feel better to label you a manc, it feels like the truth, either that or chavski, and if in truth you are neither of these, then what would really make me feel better, would be you crawling back under the stone you crawled out from
by ahmed on November 22, 2007
i always bleive wht u say someone will came and do it and there u go u r right and i agree with u everything about stevei g
Er, no it isn't. Steven Gerrard himself disagrees. He said recently: "When I join up with England, these games are bigger than Champions League games or league games. You're representing your country. If you go to a major tournament and play well or achieve something as a team it's going to be a lot bigger than achieving something at your club." Oh, the irony. Surely lost on you though. And to answer your question, a world class player (IMO) is someone who a) Has a consistent, measurable impact on their club side b) Has a consistent, measurable impact on the national team. Gerrard has failed on the international stage, therefore he is not world class. I ask once again, if Gerrard IS world class, please explain why.
by Jimmy on November 22, 2007
As an American I'm sure I'll be told to go stuff it as far as my opinion goes but I'll just put it out there anyway. I've followed England and Liverpool for the last ten years of my life. I was fortunate enough to be stationed in England for 4 years and went to numerous England and Liverpool games. I went to all but 2 of the CL home games in 05. I'm just an average fella so my opinion is just that. I must say that this attack on SG is completely unwarranted. I got up this morning with very high hopes for England. I watched the game here in Japan where I'm stationed now at 5 this morning. From what I saw I don't think SG was completely off. The pitch was heavy and surely couldn't have been easy to run through for a complete 90 minutes balls to the wall. England as a whole were trying to force everything too early. That didn't seem right for a team only needing a draw. I'm not saying it would have been right to just skirt by but wouldn't a team in this position be more choosy as far as when to push
Your attempts to discredit me instead of focusing on the issue are increasingly tiresome. Modern football has changed, and Liverpool FC are changing for the negative. if you can't see that, they you are in serious denial. And no one in the media writes articles as critical of LFC as mine. That is one of the reasons WHY I prefer to be critical - to strike a balance. The media/fan love in is sickening. And I don't read newspapers, full-stop. Your Sun jibe is about the standard of comment I'd expect from you anyway. Are you capable of focusing on the issue or will you continue to revert to childishness sniping ;-)
by Sally on November 22, 2007
Yes ladies and gentlemen Steven Gerard is just another over-hyped over-paid English plonker. Has anyone here witnessed St.SteveG out play another top midfielder? Did he ever get the better of Keane or Vieira when he faced them? Does he make Scholes look like an school boy when he plays against the mancs? Gerard is that poor a CM that he cant play in a 2man midfield. He needs both Alonso and Mascherano to cover for his poor positional sense. Gerard is so over-rated by the english media it is embarrasing.
by LondonCalling on November 22, 2007
I agree people who read the Sun are grunts. Wayne Rooney reads the Sun, you're talkin his level.English football is bad. It's in a true crisis.
[quote]I merely reeled off the first names that came to mind. There are many more, but I shouldn't have to list them all. The point is, they can be classed as world class for obvious reasons. Ronaldinho? Instrumental in Brazil winning the World Cup in 2002. Instrumental in the Brazil's qualification for World Cup 2006, finishing top scorer, scoring crucial goals that got them to the finals. That is a consistent, measurable impact on the team. Where is Gerrard's consistent, measurable impact on the England team? And once again I ask, if he is world class, please explain why.[/quote] so your saying that because gerrard didnt get england to the finals and win it, or get england to any major final and win something, it dont make him world class? so the rest of the england team are shite aswell including rooney lampard beckham terry cole owen. none of them won anything with england, no england team since 66 has won anything, are all those players crap? no! your argument is flawed so take a nap it might
Jaimie What issue, all you have done is write an article attacking gerrard(not for the first time) There is no issue except you being a manc. Its poor journalism, its not balanced, its a diatribe of hate focused on an individual who oyu obviously dont like, The only person sniping here is you, and I'm sorry if you think my jibe about the sun is unfair, but the sheer bias of your article leads me to the conclusion that tabloid newspapers are about all your capable of reading
by jaimie on November 22, 2007
...and it will take 10-20 years to see any significant change. Everything about the game is poor, from grass-roots coaching right up to the ignorant buffoons running the FA. It's a good thing that England didn't qualify, because maybe the powers that be will see the reality now and institue wholesale changes at every level. What am i talking about! That won't happen! The FA faqtcats and prima donna players don't want to leave their comfirmt zone of money and prvilege. Nothing changed after failing to qualify for USA 94, and nothing will change now.
England has NO WORLD CLASS PLAYERS. Nada. Zip. None. Don't give me Rooney and Lampard as examples. How are they world class?! They're not, it's just media and fan hype that says they are. If Wayne Rooney, for example is world class, someone please explain WHY he is, instead of just reeling off meaningless platitudes. Same goes for Gerrard: Everyone is adamant that he is world class. WHY? He has failed abjectlyu to make an impact on the international stage for the last 6 years. how does this equate with world class status?
OK now if you want to look at someone really overrrated, you don't need to look much further than the Pilsbury boy himself. Apart from burying the pen last night, the only balls he played were to facilitate Croatia - do us all a favour and choose a target that deserves it - give StevieG a break dude.
by Vinny on November 22, 2007
Gazza, Beardsley, Barnes, Hoddle were world class. But the list is fairly thin compared to Italians/Germans/French/Argies/Brazilians/Irish/Dutch/ Spanish. England is restricted in churning out world class players. And the ones that do come along are just statistical flukes, not because the English game and way of playing made them that way.
And as for quoting Hansen as standing up for what he believes - total crap. The guy was praising McLaren for making a success of his sytem at the start of the game, then twin evil bro came on at half time to berate him for persisting with it !!
by Poor Fat Frank on November 22, 2007
Poor Fat Frank has got all the blame yet Sir Stephen Prince of the North Gerrard can do no wrong. How many years has Gerard been in central midfield for England and how many different players has he been partnered with yet the England midfield has been inept. Steven Gerard is the reason it is poor because he cannot control the pace of a game the way in which proper midfielders like Alonso, Fabregas, Pirlo etc etc. The Midfield last night should have beeen Gerard at RW , Carrick and Hargreaves at CM and Joe Cole LM. With Carrick and Hargreaes in CM the team would have had a platform to work from.
The bosses should eat humble pie and ask nicely to Martin O'Neill for his forgiveness. Only then will we be able to start rebuilding - get rid of the flotsam in our squad and get the young talent blooded - irrespective what division they play in.
by StevieG on November 22, 2007
Well said. England don't understand how to develop sports, they rely on a large population to come up with some talent themselves. What the ozzies do in sport should be looked at and [some] of their techniques adapted (not the East German ones) ;)
You wrote an article about Englands awful performance last night. And a liverpool supporter chooses not to talk about how crouch was the only player to distinguish himself, nor to talk about Fat Frank going missing again, or the complete incompetence of the defence, or joe coles inept performance, or SWP inability to cross a ball or get behind a defence. No you decide to write a piece entirely attacking steven Gerrard. I'll say it again MANC<MANC<MANC
by jj on November 22, 2007
agree%
by Brian on November 22, 2007
I think your a space cadet
yes your right rooney is shite so is lampard, gerrad on the other hand is different class, he was let down by those around him, for instance croatia broke in the second half and their player checke back and tried a cross field ball but gerrard intercepted it had he not the player making the run the other side was on goal wot only richards to beat, had there been a better palyer playing right side that oppurtunity would not have present itself to croatia, ie beckham was shite, he should have been tracking back, the team played shite as a whole, had their been better palyers around gerrard liek at liverpool we may see the best out of gerrard, he has done it all over europe playing against the world class players ie kaka pirlo ronaldino maldini etc etc he has shown them what he can do when he is not doing everyone else's job.
by Sharath7 on November 22, 2007
Steven Gerrard is world class, no doubts abt it. Probably the best midfielder England have got, and the best all round, all action midfielder in the world- This from a Manure fan, as the red scum from liverpool would call. Is he a great leader...yes he is, everything he did in the last 3-4 season suggests that. Apart from him, Rooney, Ferdinand and Terry, England have got no world class players. And since the other three were missing yesterday, Stevie was playing in a team, lets face it...which was substandard and just couldnt matchup to the Croatian team. How ever good a player u are, u need a quality guys around u to win something at the world stage, ask Giggsy and George Best that...
Jaimie do you think the problem is that all the england players hate each other ie manu players hate liverpool players and chelsea hate everyone etc etc. could this be a handicap for the national side, personally i think so, if dont help when your mananger is crap- lets face it with the players available mclaren messed up big time. i think his tactics let me down for mation was right but wrong players, i would have played 4 1 3 2 against most of the smaller countries and 4 2 3 1 against the more technical sides#/ what do you think?
by Omar on November 22, 2007
All these world class players you've mentioned played with other world class players in great TEAMS. England are not a great team. Every team in the world, club and country, would jump at the chance to have gerrard in their team. Simply: England - 2 good players 1 clueless manager = not a hope.
[quote]Poor Fat Frank has got all the blame yet Sir Stephen Prince of the North Gerrard can do no wrong. How many years has Gerard been in central midfield for England and how many different players has he been partnered with yet the England midfield has been inept. Steven Gerard is the reason it is poor because he cannot control the pace of a game the way in which proper midfielders like Alonso, Fabregas, Pirlo etc etc. The Midfield last night should have beeen Gerard at RW , Carrick and Hargreaves at CM and Joe Cole LM. With Carrick and Hargreaes in CM the team would have had a platform to work from.[/quote] Jeez are you guys too ashamed to admit you support those tossas ?
by Antony on November 22, 2007
Gerrard has to be played in the correct poistion preferably out on the right-side of midfeld where he can make his surging runs from. If you look at the stats over his England career he has always performed to the top of his ability from that position. The real problem England have is there are just to many overseas players in the premiership who are not letting the "grass-roots" of english kids gain experience coming through the ranks, and this because of all the pressure clubs are under to perform due to television and the amount of monay they pump into the game. Personally from an english point of view the worst things that has happened to football in this country is was when Sky TV decided to start to promote football and started pumping all this income into the game. For England to move forward and become a global premier teams again - clubs need to be capt on the amount of foreign players they have registered, which will also effect my beloved "Hammers" as well so I am not being biased on little bit.
by bull on November 22, 2007
Is Gerard good at keeping Possesion? NO Does he have a good shot? YES Can he control the pace of play? NO Can he score goals? Yes Does he play the correct pass? NO Does he read the game well and find himself in good positions? NO Is he a good tackler? Yes There are too many NO answers for Gerrard to be considered a world class player.
by S on November 22, 2007
i cant believe this argument lasted this long... keep it up lads
by Goose on November 22, 2007
The foreigners are not preventing the grass roots coming through.. If they were good enuff they would come through. The methodology of the England game at grass roots is all wrong. Plus the players do all hate each other thats an English trait - North vs South. Lets face it drop England and follow another team is the only option. Grassroots wont change, as English people fear change, they go abroad and want pie and chips and beans every day and ignore beautiful local cuisine - Proof - Future is bleak my friends
by Pedds on November 22, 2007
As a Liverpool fan who has been a season ticket holder since 1968 I feel that I am qualified to comment on our captain. Jaimie is correct when he criticises SG for wanting to leave. He sulked because he didn't feel loved. He lost of fans support for even thinking about leaving the club he grew up with. He was made captain to make him feel better even though everyone knows that Jamie Carragher should lead the team out. SG needs to keep quiet and keep out of the press. He is always on hand with a helpful quote that most LFC fans disagree with. EG England before LFC. He is the perfect example of someone not being anywhere near as good as he thinks he is. Why are the press scared to say when he has a bad game. He never chases back when he loses the ball and is always quick to moan when not given the ball by a team mate. Sometimes this causes players to look for SG when there are better options. He is not world class by any means. To mis-quote John Lennon, "The best midfielder in Britain? He's not even the best
by JonW 007 on November 22, 2007
And the scapegoating begins.. Okay.. if you seriously believe last night was all on Gerrard's hands then I guess you've missed every game that England tied or lost at the hands of poor tactics and yes.. lack of motivation. That latter point can't be pinned on Steven Gerrard. Either way, England should have never been in this position in the first place and I think every smart English fan knows who is responsible.. the FA. Enough said.
by MJ on November 22, 2007
I agree that gerrard is not as good a leader as Terry but in dat startin XI no-one wud hav dun a betta job. And 2 say gerrard is not world-class dont take da piss. He probably is one of the rare players that can be defined as world class. He is a complete player (pass, shoot, tackle, head, energy).
Is it not possible that Gerrard is the one letting down his team-mates some of the time? It can't be everyone else's fault all the time, surely? I doubt it's inter-club hatred that's to blame. The problem is, no one in the England team has the character to take control of the team, and that is because everyone is so lost in their won ego, they all believe they are number 1. Thus, no one ever takes accoutability, and no one can tell anyone else what to do because egos get in the way. The likes of Roy Keane, who do the business and don't give a toss whether his team-mates like him, are a rare breed indeed.
by Joco on November 22, 2007
I only had to see the name to know that this article would be complete b******s.....
Oh, and I thought his best position was in the centre?! Now it's on the right. Where next. right back?! And the idea that overseas players are hindering the England team is nonsense of the highest order. In the 70s, england failed to qualify for world cups in 74 and 78. Were overseas players affecting the grassroots of the game to blame then too?! No, becaus there were no overseas players then! What about USA 94? Significantly less overseas players in the premiership then, but England still failed to qualify. It is not overseas influence, it is English players: They are just not good enough and until the 'kick and rush' coaching of youngsters changes, nothing will improve.
by NatLampoon on November 22, 2007
Oo you have a season ticket since 1968 - You must know everthing then. I think you should lie down and listen to your John Lennon records. You are right about Carragher and Stevie Me 70%. Stevie is told not to track back and tackle so hard - he is told to reserver engergy for attack attack attack - him and scholes own that badge and yes world calss at it. Thats the reason he's world class, he knows what he is best at and doesnt try to be everything. He is a sulking shite though.
by Asad on November 22, 2007
hahaha all blaming Stevie G where as others dont perform either example Rooney what has he done for England ? if Gerrard aint world class then surely no other man in England shirt is simple as if someone is name me them so i can laugh!
by umar on November 22, 2007
HAHAHA U STUPID IDIOTS HW CN U BLAME STEVIE HE IS THE WORLDS BEST CENTRAL MIDFIELDER SO GO BANG UR HEADS!!!!!!!!!
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by rimmel on November 22, 2007
let me tell you something, gerrad is the greatest midfielder England has. but if you play stevie has a holding midfielder, like he was played on wed, he wont play well. and you must realize that englih players are not world class, No english player will ever be world class, WHY, caz they are english.. It is a simple as English are simply not good enough. to be honest they are just simply cr4p
by top shotta on November 22, 2007
i agree with some of the comments made but you cant tell me that there is a better midfielder in england than steven gerrard. im a liverpool fan and il be the first to admit that SG played very poor and i personally dont think he did enough as captain to motivate the players he seemed very quiet. people need to understand england are not as good as we think and this campaign has shown that we are never going to win cups with b class players such as wayne bridge, alan smith and sol campbell even defoe has been poor and i would have bent in front of him any day england lack movement and thats why the football is so poor they do not have enough technically gifted players but SG is the one player who is technically gifted. he is a great and people are mad to say he is not
by Alex on November 22, 2007