A Midfielder is very much required!! but I feel Spurs Fans needed to keep quiet pre-season with the taking the 4th place from Arsenal as this has just made us all look like idiots!! Myself included! I mean come on we spent loads more than Arsenal and are about 25 points behind them!! after 14 games! Maybe we can win the crappy worthless cup - I am ready to quit supporting Spurs and support a decent team - a team that plays good football and wins games! COME ON ARSENAL - Anyone else?

thats the way most glory hunters become Goo'ers, Manure next year for them. Stick with the Spurs fella, we may be shite but at least we are loyal. COYS

"Birmingham started with five across the middle and dominated the midfield." Sorry, Kevin, but what game were you watching? Birmingham didn't dominate midfield at all. They were totally outplayed from the first minute to the 85th minute, even after Spurs had been reduced to ten men (and even while, for a few minutes, Spurs were down to ten men, when Gareth Bale was injured). Birmingham had one meaningful attack in the entire first half. And even that was a very soft penalty from a not especially threatening position. Meanwhile, Spurs dominated possession and territory and had chance after chance after chance. It was only Tottenham's profligacy in front of goal that allowed Birmingham to reach the break still ahead. Tottenham were even more dominant in the second half and could have scored three or four more than the two chances they did convert. Jerome's equalizer, like Birmingham's first goal, was completely against the run of play. Even after Keane's unfortunate sending off, Spurs were still by

Even after Keane's unfortunate sending off, Spurs were still by far the more likely team to score until the last five minutes. That's when Spurs' 10 players decided, unwisely, to sit back and settle for the draw. It only allowed Birmingham to apply concerted pressure on Spurs' leaky defence for the first time in the match. In short, Kevin, if you must write about football, at least watch a game properly before doing so!

[quote]Support Arsenal...are you f***ing mad? In the day of the glory hunter, you sir, are a disgrace(more likely just an Arsenal fan trying to be funny...)[/quote] Definitely an Arsenal fan trying to be funny.....but only making himself look very sad.

I would rather die that support the gooners. Yes they are a great team but please, nothing is worse that shifting teams just because your team is running through a bad patch. Spurs are out of luck at the moment. Spurs battered Birminghmam for most of that game, One of theie goals was a dodgy penalty, another was a screamer from 30 yards. Yes they are not defending with confidence at all as the Jerome goal highlighted. Younis Kaboul shouldn't even start they should use one of the younger players - why did they loan out Ifil ??? Spurs finished 5th two seasons in a row and this is just a bad season, the fact that we have lost 15 or so points in the last minutes of games from winning positions shows that. How many of those last minute shots on goal by players who hardly score would have normally sailed into the stands ? Add 15 points to our 12 and where are we in the league ? Ramos needs someone on the pitch to close down opposition and stop them having shots at goal from 20 -30 yards and just clear the thing fr

"Birmingham dominated the midfield" are you being serious? Birmingham were 2nd best in every department on Sunday. They looked as bad as Wigan did the previous week and if the match finished 4-0 to Spurs i think few would argue with it. The fact is that in football you dont always get what you deserve and we were punished for every mistake we made and didnt take our chances. Lets not start trying to read too much into the defeat and start blaming the manager. Every team will have games like that every year.

Arseanal is thee bestest. Dey play real gud fotball. I heve ben an Arsneal supauter sinz 19996, lik all ov us. Befor dat, i woz a Blakbun fan untill they woz no gud. my favrite arisnal playa is teirry hendry. i lik too go to gaymes but not too singh.

First half we had lot's of the game. Their goal came against the run of play. Second half created enough chances to bury them, but as has been the theme for large parts of this season we don't take them and then have been vulnerable to the sucker punch. We lost 1-0 to man utd could have had a couple of penalties, took a wonder goal near the end to win it, Liverpool 2-1 up could have made it 3-1 to kill but 2-2 injury time, Same with Arsenal although they battered us in the second half but again should have made it 2-0 instead it was 1-3. Ramos isn't a miracle worker he has to use the squad that is available to him. Now to be without Keane and Bale (who Geremi did a proper cynical job on a few weeks back - hence why he got injured again on Sunday) is going to be hard. Still I think Ramos will turn us into a better team. Just needs injection in some key positions doesn't matter if they are short term signings as long as they can fit in straight away to do a job and help the undoubted quality that is in our squ

We did not take our chances and made 2 bad defensive mistakes. Other than that we were very good. Game was a bit similar to the Fulham game. With Defoe's penalty miss and this bad result we led 5 points down the drain.

[quote]Arseanal is thee bestest. Dey play real gud fotball. I heve ben an Arsneal supauter sinz 19996, lik all ov us. Befor dat, i woz a Blakbun fan untill they woz no gud. my favrite arisnal playa is teirry hendry. i lik too go to gaymes but not too singh.[/quote]What a retard

I was only joking you bunch of losers!! As if I would support Arsenal! What else in my comment made you think I was a Gooner??? I was being serious!I just worry about our current situation with no decent playmaker - Carrick allowed our attackers to combine better with the midfield, but who do with have now to provide our attackers? Huddlestone is the only one capable of passing the ball forward, but not the best on the ball. Also I agree - Birmingham were second best the whole game - I as there!! COYS.

Meant to write above that Spurs were still the dominant team even while they were down to NINE men for a few minutes, when Gareth Bale was injured.

[quote]I was only joking you bunch of losers!! As if I would support Arsenal! What else in my comment made you think I was a Gooner???[/quote] Pretty much everything you wrote in your first post pointed to you being a gooner. No one's fooled.

[quote]"Birmingham started with five across the middle and dominated the midfield." Sorry, Kevin, but what game were you watching? Birmingham didn't dominate midfield at all. They were totally outplayed from the first minute to the 85th minute, even after Spurs had been reduced to ten men (and even while, for a few minutes, Spurs were down to ten men, when Gareth Bale was injured). Birmingham had one meaningful attack in the entire first half. And even that was a very soft penalty from a not especially threatening position. Meanwhile, Spurs dominated possession and territory and had chance after chance after chance. It was only Tottenham's profligacy in front of goal that allowed Birmingham to reach the break still ahead. Tottenham were even more dominant in the second half and could have scored three or four more than the two chances they did convert. Jerome's equalizer, like Birmingham's first goal, was completely against the run of play. Even after Keane's unfortunate sending off, Sp

Spurs worked hard and played well for most of the game. There is certainly a defensive weakness but by and large they should have wrapped this up early. In all this has not been their luckiest season and this game showed it. A weak penalty followed by the Keane debacle. If only refs were consistent. I saw at least 4 tackles on Lennon which were far worse than Keane's and were certainly more deliberate in an attempt to stop him rather than getting the ball. Some people seemed to be critical of Berbatov but I thought he was OK linking well and playing his part. However I am beginning to doubt Defoe. He really does not produce nor cause a consistent threat. It might be better to trade him for a strong creative mid-fielder.

as an Arsenal fan i think theres no need to write in and pose as a sp*ds fan. yes it does make us look bad, but then again, all the talk about 4th place being taken and the mouthing off does deserve some some bad karma going back to you so fair play!

I think Spurs problems go back to all of the Mangers they have had over the last few years they should have stuck it out with Martin Jol Look at the that class team Arsenal they have been quite for a couple of years but Wenger has been given time to build teams I think Ramos will be off this time next year if Spurs are where they are now

The 433 set up was in my opinion a straight forward reaction to the loss of JJ. If Jenas was fit I am sure we would have started 442. Without him the options were 442 with either Tainio, Huddleston or Boateng in the midfield. But with our abundance of riches up front I think to go with Bent, who scored midweek, was a natural thing to do especially as Keane is used to dropping back in to the hole & creating from there. SO it did not work great but there are a few things to note: Firstly, we did not deserve to go in 1-0 at half time, it should have been 2-1 or 3-1. I actually think bent may have gone off due to injury because he did take a knock in the first half & hobbled off at HT. Secondly, we did not lose due to that formation. We created enough chances to win 2 matches. Their goals were an individual error by Kaboul (& a harsh decision), a very good individual effort with some albeit not great defending and an absolute thunderbolt out of nowhere. If we had made the most of our chances we

spuds at the begining of the season you thought you would knock arsenal off top spot well let me tell you something.......... dream on! your relegation fighters not uefa champions league standard lol i feel sorry for you actually. well only a bit!

[quote]all the talk about 4th place being taken and the mouthing off does deserve some some bad karma going back to you so fair play![/quote] Think you'll find that the vast majority of Spurs fans never bought into this whole idea that Tottenham would overtake Arsenal. Of course, there were a few loud mouths - but all clubs have them. Mostly, though, all the big talk about Spurs breaking into the top 4 came from the media - not from Spurs fans.

Im a spurs fan but u cant help but support ur n.london neighbours for the footy they play.

Nah these fools still belive they can beat Arsenal and ManUtd and claim the "dream" 4th place...muahahahahaha!! Get a life a**holes! And stop dreaming! And start kicking your a**es! Previously... Spuds was so so confident with their transfer buys and even dare/dream/think/feel to claim the 4th place from Arsenal...well Now...after JUST 14 games 1. Arsenal at TOP with 33 points 2. Spuds 1 point from relegation 3. Spuds 25 points behind the LEADERS...ARSENAL the GREAT! 4. Arsenal flying high with breath-taking football..TOP of the table! 5. Spuds battling down in the "drains" to survive relegation with some sucked up football.. Summary : ARSENAL - KING of London! SPURD - CLOWNS... Well done spurd and scums..keep it up..oopss i mean keep it "down" ;> - End -

JimB : Think you'll find that the vast majority of Spurs fans never bought into this whole idea that Tottenham would overtake Arsenal. Of course, there were a few loud mouths - but all clubs have them. Mostly, though, all the big talk about Spurs breaking into the top 4 came from the media - not from Spurs fans. Yeah biy run away for what you was claiming and celebrating about even before the season starts..sums up how BIG losers you scums and your team are! Nevermind, do be sad..you will win the title..Championship next season..good luck down there. Arsenal all the way!!

Welcome to Arsenal fan club...nah f*** off! Scums not needed, maybe you can go support Birmingham now..well have fun there at least.

[quote]Yeah biy run away for what you was claiming and celebrating about even before the season starts..sums up how BIG losers you scums and your team are! Nevermind, do be sad..you will win the title..Championship next season..good luck down there. Arsenal all the way!![/quote] Arsenal General, I realise that neither eloquence nor intellect are your fortes, so I'll try not to use too many long words for you. I can guarantee that I know more Spurs fans than you and that I speak to far more Spurs fans than you. I know what most of them were saying before this season started. Most were annoyed by the media bigging Spurs up because we could all see that the club's spending over the summer was for the future rather than the present. The squad might be bigger than last season's but the starting eleven is no stronger.

ramos restored faith in spurs supporters my arse! forget the manager and take a long hard look at the board and our so called sporting director. we all know we have no-one in midfield who can take control and who is a play maker and we buy darren bent whe we hardley ever use defoe, great choice and i dont believe it was jol! our so called injury list is another excuse king or sick note as he's now known must have forgotten how to play by now, so why does a team like us wait for his return? untill we balance our side out we'll be lucky to stay up and finnish in the top 4, in you're dreams. jol finnished 5th 2yrs on the trott and was good if a bit conservative when we were ahead! i've been a supporter for 48yrs but this is even trying my patients at least i can't be accused of being a glory supporter, come on guys get you're act together you're breaking my heart!

I think Ramos' priority is to remind the Spurs players that they are still playing football time... not rugby. He needs to drill into them that a game has always and still does, last 90 minutes NOT 80!!! How many last gasp goals have they conceded; Sunderland, Fulham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc... I also think he needs to mention to Chimbonda and Bale the importance of defending being priority - they seem to prefer to be ahead of midfield far too much! Attacking is good but not conceding cheaply is more important at this delicate period! COYS

gooner here. you should've walked that one, but lost due to comedy defending. until and unless you sort yourself out, all your efforts elsewhere are in vain

How can we get 4th when we sell our good players? We sold Carrick, Kanoute. Next up for sale is Bale & Lenon. Also heard that Levy is trying to sell Spurs itself!!! Oh my goodness great!!!!!!!

The only reason we lost against Birmingham was because the ref made a harsh decision, Birmingham handballed it twice in their own area and Jerome pushed the ball with his arm and then scored. We clearly should of won 3-2 or 4-2, because we should of had 2 penalties.So, stfu gonners!!!!!!

Well I'm an Arsenal fan but I don't hold any fickle grudge with Spurs and so long as they don't finish above Arsenal in any season I'll be happy. But I must admit I'm disappointed for Spurs. I'm not saying this to be smug (although it must seem it) but Spurs are better than this. I haven't watched them many times this season so I don't know how they're playing but I enjoy some good old-fashioned rivalry and would much rather our most local team were in second right now than doing as they are. I hope they'll regroup and dig some results out and then after the busy Xmas period let's hope to have the Spurs season back on track and winning the games as they should. I guess nobody would take that as sincere but think of it this way. Can you imagine a CL final between Arsenal and Spurs? Don't get me wrong that's so far from being possible atm it's not worth taking seriously, but rather than the liklihood of it happening being what I'm talking about, rather just a game of such pressure, importance and prestige be

I guess nobody would take that as sincere because it's unrealistic in the near future, but think of it this way. Can you imagine a CL final between Arsenal and Spurs? Don't get me wrong that's so far from being possible atm it's not worth taking seriously, but rather than the liklihood of it happening being what I'm talking about, rather just a game of such pressure, importance and prestige between our two clubs. It would be great if our derbies were winning/costing titles rather than being relatively meaningless as they are these days. Good luck!

The reason why we r doing crap this season is because Martin Jol made us lose or draw all of r matches. If we had Ramos from the start, we would probably be in between 4th and 8th!

"I haven't watched them many times this season so I don't know how they're playing" Pretty good going forward. Dodgy as hell at the back. We've conceded five crucial, injury time goals this season that, combined, have cost us seven points. Four of the late goals conceded have been wonder strikes. We're also ridiculously vulnerable to set pieces. Lastly, we've not had much luck. Normally, over the course of a season, you can look back and admit that there were a fair few games from which your team took more than they deserved on the balance of play. I can honestly say that that has not happened once this season. By contrast, I would say that, in 8 of the 15 games played thus far, Spurs deserved more than they got. If we had won 25-30 points by now, that would be a fair reflection. But it's all academic. Any team that has such a shaky defence cannot hope to win even the games that they dominate.

you were playing Arsenal last sunday; 'twas an ex-Gooner who scored the winner. Tommo, you're doing rubbish because your board stabbed Jol in the back. And because Commolli is an idiot, even though he's ex-Arsenal technical team. levy didn't exactly bring about the second coming for you lot, either.

Fifth place last year was a fluke, if you look at Spurs' goal differential, which is about what it is now. And with this GD today, you should be mid-table, not near relegation. But in both years, your defending was horrible. Was it Jol or the talent? Is Ramos more defense-minded than Jol? If you want to be top 4, you have to defend well, or have a huge GD. The rest is rubbish. (and if you want to hope for bad things for Arsenal, hope for a dry offensive spell, because their defense is more porous than the other Big 4...)

first five minutes were iffy, both teams a bit giddy with excitement and not settling down. then we dominated solidly for half an hour or so. we switched off for the last bit of the first half, the players looked keen to have a rest before recommencing the onslaught. second half we were in control throughout. when robbie went off we were stretched, but the players worked hard and continued to take the game to birmingham. bale going was a big loss, but we still managed to look like threatening. then we saw berba make a mistake, which was understandable since he was clearly shattered from working his arse off all game. the mistake led to a fluke goal, and suddenly we were going to lose. but the boys STILL would not give in, and pushed to equalise, but ultimately were too tired and compromised by the referee's earlier decisions. highlight of the match for me was dowd telling the writhing bale to get up. summed up a refereeing performance of total ineptitude.

tommo said : "The reason why we r doing crap this season is because Martin Jol made us lose or draw all of r matches. If we had Ramos from the start, we would probably be in between 4th and 8th!" Well you guys was so proud and happy about Jol being Spud's manager last season..excuses and excuses!

Jim said : "Arsenal General, I realise that neither eloquence nor intellect are your fortes, so I'll try not to use too many long words for you. I can guarantee that I know more Spurs fans than you and that I speak to far more Spurs fans than you. I know what most of them were saying before this season started. Most were annoyed by the media bigging Spurs up because we could all see that the club's spending over the summer was for the future rather than the present. The squad might be bigger than last season's but the starting eleven is no stronger" Scums are liars!! Stop denying the truth loser!

Ye, we were proud and happy with Jol last season, but no he is crap, and we have a much better manager now. So u can shut up

tottenham are the best and no one can replace them arsenal are expected to win but with tottenham its a surprise we started witha sht strt bt we hve ramos now and we will win