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by Ed Bottomley on 20 December 2007
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Watching a football game with my American brother-in-law is one of the most frustrating things. I have to constantly translate from footballese to Yank, and like most residents of the football tundra that is Michigan, he cannot fathom the difference between club football and international football. Things got a whole lot trickier in Sunday’s Grand Slam clash between Arsenal and Chelsea. Yelps of “he’s cheating!” every time someone erroneously swan dives to the turf are de rigeur when I am watching football but with the Sunday’s match-up I had to put up with “Adebayor…that doesn’t sound English, Fabregas ... that doesn’t sound English,” and on and on and on, such was the incessant drone that the idea of watching a snuff movie of my parents was preferable to watching this game with my Yank-in-law.And yet it was very hard to answer my in-law. Why on earth didn’t Arsenal have a single Englishman in their line-up? I’ve always had a soft spot for the Gunners, and still do, but when you take a step back and see that their entire line-up at the weekend, including subs, didn’t have a single person from the British Isles, let alone England, then the whole thing starts to leave a strange taste in the mouth. 'I love the entire squad equally, but having local lads like Leighton Baines, Tony Hibbert, Leon Osman and Alan Stubbs in the team is extra special'I’m an Evertonian and although we are starting to become replete with foreigners we always manage to play some Brits and, better still, some Englishmen. I’d like to say I love the entire squad equally, but having local lads like Leighton Baines, Tony Hibbert, Leon Osman and Alan Stubbs in the team is extra special – particularly on derby day.
Now I am not saying that victory without these Scousers would be an empty one but it is nice to have at least a smattering of local talent, otherwise you run the risk of becoming a band of wandering international minstrels, with nothing to tether them to the area they play in. This is the reason that I know one day Mikel Arteta will go back to Spain out of filial loyalty to his childhood heroes – how long before Arsenal’s players want to go home? Arsenal have no local talent and the closest they can boast to English talent is Theo Walcott. Wouldn’t victory be even sweeter with some Englishmen in the side or is this an old argument that doesn’t hold up to the modern Premier League world?
Comments (65)
by Gunner Stu on December 20, 2007
So please shut up. This is all you have to get away from the fact that yet another team who hasn't won a thing for a very longtime and has an excuse to have a go a t Arsenal.
by Googlebot on December 20, 2007
...an ill-informed and under-researched article about the lack of English players in the Arsenal team. Listen mate, go away & find out exactly how many Englishmen play for Arsenal, then compare that to the other 19 teams in the premiership, then come back here & apologise on your hands and knees. If you came out with staements like this article in my local, you would be beaten severely.
by Jules on December 20, 2007
Osman...that doesn't sound English? In case you hadn't realised mate (term used VERY loosely)the lack of English players is what makes Arsenal SO good...and this coming from an Englishman!!!
by boon on December 20, 2007
Trevor Brooking recently said that the best talent England have is coming through at Arsenal. We are currently cultivating englands future, not that they deserve it after the sh** people have written about us damaging the english national side.
by RobMoir on December 20, 2007
The reason that Arsenal doesn't have very many English players in the squad, let alone the first team, is that English players are all over-hyped and over-priced donkeys. Deal with it.
by Liam on December 20, 2007
I may be wrong but I dont think theres much need to be so defensive. Speak like that in our local and you could see youself with a beating too, remember where we're from? Now I think we should put the aggression aside, think what he was asking was wouldn't you like some English talent, even someone who grew up in the area to play for your team. Chelsea have alot of english, ans man utd alot a few british not to mention Liverpool (carrager and Gerrard). Its not a dig just a question.
by Al on December 20, 2007
No Arsenal would not like to be more like Everton. No.
by Wrighty on December 20, 2007
It'd be nice to have a couple more English players regularly in the Arsenal squad - but it's just not feasible as many English players don't fit into Wenger's football philosophy - and the ones that do, are so hideously overpriced that they just aren't worth it. In future Arsenal teams, we will have more English players, as the players that we are developing will soon make the grade to play for the Arsenal, and not go on to make other Premiership teams better. And our current players are part of the Arsenal family, and that makes them English enough for me. ;)
Not talking about playing style or cups- just would you like it more if you were cheering on a lad who grew up on the streets where you walked. Just saying at everton (or liverpool) if your a local lad in the team we love it
by Brigham on December 20, 2007
I am English and could not give a how many English players are or are not in the Arsenal team. All I care about is the team I have supported for nearly 40 years. If having English playes in your team means having total twats like Terry, Lampard and Hargreaves, then I am all for French, Ivorian, Dutch etc as they are far more talented, better behaved and all round exciting to watch.
by 2STRIPES on December 20, 2007
Touchy. Seemed a reasonable question, does fielding a starting line up of foreigners take something awat from the victory? The tone of the article wasn't derogatory to Arsenal at all. Gooners have a chip on their shoulder about this even though they get general aclaim for playing the best football and having a youth system second to none. There is just no pleasing some, I think its gotta be an issue judging by those responses.
by tony on December 20, 2007
another pointless article created to get as many "hit counts" as possible.this argument is as stale as your editorial standards.the simple fact is english players are not up to the standard for the way Arsenal play.this is completely down to the early management of kids coming into the game. The fact that everton have not won anything since the last ice age is evident enough that english players may have loud mouths, but they cant master the art of footall. i also find it strange considering the players that make the difference in the everton side are all foreign. but dont let that get in the way of your need to join in on the media's witchhunt to castrate Arsenal for the england teams inadequacies
by Gooner for 60 years on December 20, 2007
"They don't think so at Goodison, where there's more than a smattering of local and English talent." Always thought Scallie land was a different country. Check out what's coming through the academy. Hopefully you'll see many of them at Wembley.
by 2Stripes on December 20, 2007
Well if the players are not available or of a standard make that point, but does it bother Arsenal Fans not having a Tony Adams or his like in the team anymore. Poor poor G14 Arsenal everyones out to get them, sat at the top of the league with a new stadium champions league and one of the best squads in the world. Fantastic team, fans need to show a little class and answer the question though. Everton's best player is British Joleon Lescott btw.
by Boon on December 20, 2007
[quote]Well if the players are not available or of a standard make that point, but does it bother Arsenal Fans not having a Tony Adams or his like in the team anymore. Poor poor G14 Arsenal everyones out to get them, sat at the top of the league with a new stadium champions league and one of the best squads in the world. Fantastic team, fans need to show a little class and answer the question though. Everton's best player is British Joleon Lescott btw. [/quote] Bollocks. Everton's best player is Spanish.
The 'beating' comment was a joke dude, chill out. As with every other Gooner, I'm sick & tired of Arsenal being to blame for everything that's wrong with English football. The fact that the article was written by a moron just happened to be a coincidence.
by Which? Doctor on December 20, 2007
[quote]Touchy. Seemed a reasonable question, does fielding a starting line up of foreigners take something awat from the victory? The tone of the article wasn't derogatory to Arsenal at all. Gooners have a chip on their shoulder about this even though they get general aclaim for playing the best football and having a youth system second to none. There is just no pleasing some, I think its gotta be an issue judging by those responses.[/quote]We're only touchy because of reactionary bullsh***ers like you and the article's author try to rake up the embers of a view that's redundant for most Gooners.
by Ged on December 20, 2007
Very touchy Gunners. Now THAT tells me something. It means, of course, they would really like to have a local lad, or even just an English lad, playing regularly. It would be the icing on the cake for them. And it would be NORMAL. Remmber Charlie George? A local lad, a Gooner, a hero. Anyone who says they don't care about this issue is lying. Be honest !
Well we will see when the Everton players and fans player of the season award is awarded then. Lescott has been our best player this season no question. Arteta is and has been brilliant in his time at Goodison but this season Lescott has stood out a mile.
by Ragnar on December 20, 2007
Englishmen Justin Hoyte and Mark Randall started the game while Kieran Gibbs came on as a substitute and Gavin Hoyte was an unused sub.
by ewan on December 20, 2007
English talents are too expensive. Once they get their money, they dont work so hard anymore. Look at how the Terry, Lampard, Bent, SWP , Lennon ....have faded. Arsene would have english players in a couple of years, trained from his academy with the right attitudes.
[quote][quote]Touchy. Seemed a reasonable question, does fielding a starting line up of foreigners take something awat from the victory? The tone of the article wasn't derogatory to Arsenal at all. Gooners have a chip on their shoulder about this even though they get general aclaim for playing the best football and having a youth system second to none. There is just no pleasing some, I think its gotta be an issue judging by those responses.[/quote]We're only touchy because of reactionary bullsh***ers like you and the article's author try to rake up the embers of a view that's redundant for most Gooners. [/quote] Keep it coming your winning my argument all by yourself. All he (and I) was asking was does it bother you ffs! No judgement, no moral condemnation, certainly no blaming for ruining English football. Have no oppinion on Arsenal what so ever. My concern is Everton "Sky's big 4 grandslam armegeddon weekends" watching Lehman and Drogba slap and tickle each other depresses me more than anything.
by gooner4life on December 20, 2007
And yet it was very hard to answer my in-law. Why on earth didn’t Arsenal have a single Englishman in their line-up? Wright Phillips 20 mil/Alex hleb 10 mil Glen Johnson 6.6 mil/Kolo toure{500,000},Eboue{1.1 mil}, Clichy{250,000}, Cesc{500,000}, Diaby{3.3mil} Jermaine Penant 6.5mil /Rosicky 6.8mil Bent 16 mil/Adebayor 7.5mil I hope that goes some way to answer your in-law. you expect arsenal to bankrupt themselves for mediocrity, and ugly football to satsify your and the media's need. It really is pissing me off how we are being made the scapegoats for the Lack of English succes. Its not our fault that this country doesnt produce players, and also the PFA dont tell you abou the rules that are in place that say you can only sign an english player u16 if they are within a certain radius of your club. If you want arsenal to sign english players A)build that training center in burton B) listen to Trevor Brooking the only one who knows the extent of the problems c) put some sort of cap on their prices
ged - i like most gooners, support Arsenal the team because i was brought to see them from an early age, and became drawn to the team that eventually manifested into a passion for the team.I live in Ireland so maybe you can say that is why it makes no difference to me wether they are english players or not.but i dont think thats the case at all,seeing as 90% of gooners feel the same way.I love the players becasue the play for the club i've supported for most of my living life.
tony... you support who you support... and I have no problem with Arsenal, let's say I have other fish to fry BUT I will NEVER believe that the majority of Gooners would not like to see a local play every week, and play well. You being Irish, well, of course, you have no affnity with the English But you support an English club ?