Why Spurs' swoop for Cardiff kid Gunter puts Arsenal to shame

Bentley, Boothroyd, sidwell,Pennant,Stack, Taylor,Gray amongst others all who have gone to ply their trade in PL or Championship, The following players are there now and are been nutured by Arsenal Gibbs, J Hoyte, G Hoyte, Lansbury, Watts, , Gilbert, Simpson, Rodgers,Thomas,Cruise,Murphy, Bartley, Blackwood. Before writing articles get your facts in order matey. Your using comments attributed to the daily hacks that as we all know are rarely right. Yes we have foreign but we also have english, surely the 12 million we are drip feeding Southampton is more than the 10Million they got from Spurs? Also 6million for Wright?, 10million for Jeffers? I could go on but its like your artcle pointless.

Arsen has tried. How about Upson, Jeffers, Wright [ richard]Pennant and Campbel. Sidwell and Bentley were a bit to impationt the latter would be in the Arsenal team now if had held on for a little bit longer. There are still a number of other players playing in the english leauges that have benifited from Arsen wengers efforts as i am sure the same cam be said of Alex Fergerson. If they are goon enough and determind they will get there chance.

How on earth are Arsenal blocking British talent. Are they the only team in the EPL?. Of course not. Gunter is a decent player with a future but it would have been poingtless going toi Arsenal as he would have no chance of playing ahead of Clichy, Sagna, Hoyte or Traore who are already there. It's a questin of timing. Had he been available two years ago the Gunners may have been interested. As for your comment on Bendtner. He learned nothing at Birmingham technically. All it did was give him the stamina and strength to cope with the EPL on a regular basis. Birmingham took him because he already had ability, not becuause they wanted to coach him.

Perhaps if the championship sides were not so greedy in their demands when being approached by The Arsenal the players would get the chance to join. On many occasions fees have been quoted for players that have gone for much less after Arsenal have pulled out. It is not Wengers duty to be a gravy train for other clubs, just efficient in balancing the books of a club that has succesfully negotiated a massive investment in itself.

G4L_Harry - What you been smokin' boy? £10m for Jeffers? Is this the same Jeffers who was playing for Premierleague club, Everton FC? Yes, Everton are such paupers aren't they? What was that about Gerry having to get his facts in order?? Think you’re also missing the point in naming all these very young English kids at Arsenal. The point is: how many are ever given an opportunity to break into the first team? The answer is none. Every team has a youth set-up, so you’re winning no brownie points there my friend. How many kids bought by Arsene Wenger are British, as opposed to being foreign? That’s the point here, dimwit. That foreign kid is always going to be given more of a chance to stake his claim at Arsenal than the British kid who is already there in the youth team. The facts are simple here: Arsenal is a club that does NOT buy British players, almost by decree of policy. And that, when you consider Arsenal are a club based in the British Isles, is a pathetic approach to contributing back to

To put Englishman Hoyte further down the pecking order? To finally put a death knell on the Arsenal career of 20 year old Englishman Gilbert? Anyway, what Harry said is right. We've provided more players for other PL and Championship clubs from our Academies than anyone, maybe barring Man U.

Well, before jumping to conclusions, lets wait what this Wonder Kid Gunter will turn out to be. Will he be able to help the spurs win two games back to back or beat the Arsenal after I lost count how many years? The truth is, Arsenal are years ahead of any plan Tottenham can come up with. Yes, I am an Arsenal fan, but I write this out of respect, and that includes Tottenham. But the sad truth is that Arsene knows and the North London neighbours just improvise year after year. They are too busy changing managers and looking for new owners. Greg Tersakian Montreal, Canada

what are you on about? 4 million for someone who has played 28 games??? have they gone mad?? i'm all for bringing english talent through but you have to be paying sensible prices. ok he's young, he has potential but why do teams pay so much for that alone? i can't understand why teams pay this much for someone who only has potential? Lukas Leiva, should be a great player - 5-6 million, i'm not sure. Anderson - 17 million. Bale - 10 million. I look at arsenal, Abou Diaby - 2 million. Fran Merida - 2 million. Johan Djourou - not sure but not a lot! and the rest. why do other teams pay so much while arsenal pay so little?

this article is spot on...i'm a celtic fan and i think arsenal are a sickening football club

I agree with a lot of things on the article. g4l_harry all the players u have listed all have been given up by arsenal and if it wasn't for the other teams having faith in them they would have rotted in hell in your reserves or released for free! U also stated arsenal spent 6 million for wright but that was ancient times, before wenger decided to look for overseas talent.

No wonder English football is in the state it's in. The only way it will ever get good again is when people realise it's not Arsenal's fault young British players aren't good enough to play for them. Judging by the misinformed spanners on here, it may never happen.

I read your article by accident and can only say that I think you could be in the wrong job, the guys have covered it well enough so I won't add to their comments except to say that Arsene Wenger has shown that he recognises talent and that is the number one priority as he looks to maintain Arsenals current position in the years ahead.

Two words, Theo Walcott

That is exactly why Arsenal are on the top and spurs are fighting relegation... Get your facts ready, Arsenal with Wenger have tried with the above talents named. And lost some money, while gaining tremendous on foreign. Whom which suits much better to Arsene's style of playing and living. British talents just have to be more patient. Bentley, Pennant, Sidwell and Upson could have made it to the first team, But they did not stick around long enough. You see Hoyte pushing and commenting he is ready for fight his spot even if Eboue and Sagna are ahead right now. Players like Hoyte will make it to the top regardless of how many foreign players Arsenal have. Sorry this article had potential to be good but you did not search enough for facts. Good luck next time.

[quote]what are you on about? 4 million for someone who has played 28 games??? have they gone mad?? i'm all for bringing english talent through but you have to be paying sensible prices. ok he's young, he has potential but why do teams pay so much for that alone? i can't understand why teams pay this much for someone who only has potential? Lukas Leiva, should be a great player - 5-6 million, i'm not sure. Anderson - 17 million. Bale - 10 million. I look at arsenal, Abou Diaby - 2 million. Fran Merida - 2 million. Johan Djourou - not sure but not a lot! and the rest. why do other teams pay so much while arsenal pay so little? [/quote] ummm walcott?? lol

[quote]Bentley, Boothroyd, sidwell,Pennant,Stack, Taylor,Gray amongst others all who have gone to ply their trade in PL or Championship, The following players are there now and are been nutured by Arsenal Gibbs, J Hoyte, G Hoyte, Lansbury, Watts, , Gilbert, Simpson, Rodgers,Thomas,Cruise,Murphy, Bartley, Blackwood. Before writing articles get your facts in order matey. Your using comments attributed to the daily hacks that as we all know are rarely right. Yes we have foreign but we also have english, surely the 12 million we are drip feeding Southampton is more than the 10Million they got from Spurs? Also 6million for Wright?, 10million for Jeffers? I could go on but its like your artcle pointless.[/quote] You've shot yourself in the foot with your comments. You mention all the kids that were youngsters at arsenal. They are proof that wenger doesn't want brits at his club. if you had a choice of pennant, bentley or Eboue for RW, 9 out of 10 ppl would want pennant or Bentley rather than Eboue. Upson or G

By the way big fella there is no inaccuracies in my comments. We did pay 10million for Jeffers and where did I say that Everton were Paupers?? No I didnt, I was just alluding to the point that we do not put money back into English football, by the way I dont smoke its bad for you.

and you know why Gerry, because you know sh** about arsenal. You dont know the term research do you? Walcott is at arsenal not because he is english but for 2 reasons - 1)he is that good 2)he plays the way wenger wants arsenal to. A lot of english talent has left arsenal recently if you've noticed, foremost is bentley for which i have huge regrets. To add some more anthony stokes, sidwell, pennant and a lot more, on whom you ll surely have kept tabs on, Gerry. I agree we rarely buy championship players but the reason for that is same 2 points i mentioned above. Would arsenal be playing this way if we had good smattering of championship players(no disrespect here). We may not have english players but you will know we are a completely english club in terms of ownership and administration. The club tries to pump in money to the local people and charities as far as it can despite the debt issue from the stadium and it will only get better once the debt is cleared. Dont say we have done nothing for the english

Jermaine pennant for one example. British attitude where he seems more interested in fast cars and girls than football. thats why Arsene flogged him. All of the youngsters Arsenal buy are totaly devoted to learning their trade instead of showing off.

Read the comments before commenting on what I have said, which foot did you shoot first. Although I would agree that I would prefer Bentley over Eboue, but that isnt the arguement.

"If you had a choice of pennant, bentley or Eboue for RW, 9 out of 10 ppl would want pennant or Bentley rather than Eboue." Say Hleb instead, as Eboue is just standin. Or let say Freddy in his absolute prime as the situation was when Bentley demanded to play every week. Bentley does not even make it to the first eleven in the English national team, he would barely make it to Arsenals second string that beat rovers few days ago... I say it again, those britsh players who are good enough will make it to the top. Everybody gets a chance at Arsenal, but you have to show attitude. Wenger do not fall for drink and drivers...

arsenal put to shame, over what?? mr author have ou looked at the under 17 and under 18 squads at arsenal, chock-a-block with english talent, and not to mention all those player playing in the championship, premier league and spl that originated at arsenal!!! get your facts straight mate!!!!

Timmy TooShooz Undefined. Bentley, Boothroyd, upson, sidwell,Pennant,Stack, Taylor,Gray, harper, o'hara, muamba, stokes etc all had the benefit of the first class coaches, training facilities and learned from world class players. Now they are plying their trade for various prem and championship teams which has benefited the teams they went to and helped british football. and we let all of them go on the cheap. most of those players we sold cost less than tottenham are paying for gunter and most of them had prem experience.The most represented club for England from under 21 down is arsenal - Fact!!!! and the point of £10 million for jeffers meant they could splash a bit of that cash on (at the time) championship playa Cahill and championship player Johson (in other words the money filtered down) Bentley, upson pennant were given opportunities but were not patient, not the same as not giving them a chance.

Now how many kids do you think Arsenal is inspiring to begin football by their way of playing compare to Spurs? That is the real question, now if these do not make it do not blame Arsenal. DO not blame Arsenal if your national team are not good as Croatia or Russia. Its simple as that.

A few comments; - It's not Arsenal's job to fund lower league clubs; - AW has a great record of educating young players properly and of releasing them if he's not going to play them - the list quoted above doesn't even include Jerome Thomas or David Noble for example; and it's worth noting that very few of them (Pennant being the main one) have anything other than good things to say about Arsenal and Wenger; - Rather than just focusing on Arsenal, I'd like someone to name me which players currently playing for Man U, Liverpool or Chelsea have come thru their youth team? And before you start, let's exclude Giggs & Neville because that was 15 years ago; - AW likes young players who are dedicated to football; he often recruits kids aren't afraid to move to a new country at a young age, often not speaking the language and therefore are totally focused and dedicated; compare the maturity of Senderos and Fabregas versus Pennant & Bentley for example and you'll see what I mean. Lastly and it may be really pe

Timmytooshooz. you really are a numpty. Did you see the side that have taken us to yet again another C Cup semi. Lots of English kids there, being given the chance to show that they will be capable in a few years to play for the Arsenal. If not, we let them go and they play elsewhere, wherever that may be, but at least they will have had the best start in thir careers that any young pro could have, Playing at arsenal.

So the basic logic is this: Clubs should be applauded for buying inferior players for more money Maybe Wenger should send Denilson back to Brazil and look at some championship hoofer for 5 million plus. Then when we are watching crap football at a half empty stadium atleast I can post smug artcles like this on the net proclaiming how Arsenal is so much better for English football. Another low for the stupidity of football fans.

The fact that Spurs are one of only a few premiership clubs willing to take a chance on British players speaks volumes for the club. In recent years spurs have bought players such as Lennon, Carrick, Dawson, Bale, Jenas, Huddlestone, Robinson, Defoe, Bent etc etc. Spurs have also brought in foreign players such as Berbatov, Kaboul, Taarabt, Boeteng etc. The one clear thing is that Spurs are looking at youth no matter where they come from and finacially cheaper options come from Europe but home based players are more consistent and settle in quicker. I don't tyhink the decision to but Gunter is for the benefit of British football but to Spurs benefit. Even so, at least Spurs don't mind looking through the football league for prospects. Our Neighbours do not generally buy British players. Yes they will point to Walcott, wright and Jeffers, but these signings are in the minority. How many british players feature regularly for them, a couple???

Wenger is the finest at spotting young talent. You have no understanding of how Wenger advanced he is in his thinking & what it takes to reach his standards. Its already been mentioned here about the English younsters we've let go. Non of them would have made the grade You 'admire' spurs for investing in English players instead of going overseas. The same spurs that have bought a whole range of average English youngsters lately & none of them would get into Arsenal's 2nd XI let alone the first team & none of them have yet proved themselves & I include Lennon, Dawson, Reid, Oh I forgot that wonderful EWnglish investment bent at £16m ! And you wonder why Wenger rarely buys English. Sit back & watch the next crop of Wenger's English boys ( Lansbury, Randall, Watts, G.Hoyte)come through, they've now been with the club since babes & have only trained & played the Wenger continental way. Hopefully they will make break through into the 1st team within 2 or 3 years, if not then the problem is they will be too

You sure hit a sore point with the Arsenal fans. They only just managed to beat a makeshift Spurs team but had not one British player in their squad of 16! The truth is that if you do not employ British players you can hardly complain when, 15 years later there are no British managers to manage the national side. As a Spurs fan I think that Arsene Wenger, apart from being one of the best managers in UK football for a generation also speaks up most honestly and clearly for retaining the British ownership of clubs and style of game. If only he practised what he preaches to others.

I thought Arsenal Bought an English guy, Theo Walcott from a championship side called southampton. Or is Southhampton in Europe & Is Theo French. Please tell me I've forgotten.

Have you guys noticed how sour and bitter the gooner fans become when their team structure and policy is criticized. Every body in football would see Arsenal's policy but the fickle fans and their manager are the only narrow minded that dont see the points being made. As a matter of fact, truth hurts. By the way, why is eboue given preference to theo? As one of you guys above stated, eboue is on stand-by, so then why isnt theo given this chance to shine? And dont say he cant play right wing, coz he can.

Pointless debate as Sepp Blatter Lisbon Treaty = foreign player capping. That should signal the end of Wengers foreign favortisum and give english football what it needs - british talent playing at all PL clubs

Has everyone forgotten Ashley Cole who came through our youth system to become (widely renowned) as the the best left back in the world???? of course his game has slipped somewhat now he's gone to chavski but never the less was brought through playing exciting penetrative football from Arsenal???? Also it IS widely reported/known that Arsenal have the best crop of English talent still waiting to break into the first team at Arsenal AND are playing some great football for the U18,U19 & U21 national side already??? Our pool of homegrown talent are doing the business and creating waves at their tender age and of all the topflight clubs we have the pick of the rest to ensure that our national team won't go short whether or not they stay or leave.....both Hoytes, Walcott, Randall, Gibbs, Bartley, Cruise, Eastmond, Ayling, Emmanual Thomas, Lansbury, Dunne, Steer, Simpson.....etc,etc......I think you'd better do some research before you put out a trash report like this. Not only are we leading the premier league b

Gunter is foreign! He will never represent the English national team and is exactly the same as a kid brought in from France, Spain or the Ivory Coast... i'm sorry but having Bale, Gunter and Robbie Keane in your team does not help England at all. Ok so I am not talking transfer fee's and where the money is going, but in terms of the National team... Spurs just bought another foreign import! You know what the really funny thing is? This whole arsenal debate only exists because we do well and actually win! If we were near the bottom of the league, without having picked up so much silverware in the last 10 years nobody would take notice! Look at the majority of English players playing at the clubs that are actually good and win trophies and then look at the costs! Rooney, Rio, Carrick, Hargreaves, SWP, Lampard... Arsenal are just showing other clubs the way to do it with less $$$$$$!

[quote]Bentley, Boothroyd, sidwell,Pennant,Stack, Taylor,Gray amongst others all who have gone to ply their trade in PL or Championship, The following players are there now and are been nutured by Arsenal Gibbs, J Hoyte, G Hoyte, Lansbury, Watts, , Gilbert, Simpson, Rodgers,Thomas,Cruise,Murphy, Bartley, Blackwood. Before writing articles get your facts in order matey. Your using comments attributed to the daily hacks that as we all know are rarely right. Yes we have foreign but we also have english, surely the 12 million we are drip feeding Southampton is more than the 10Million they got from Spurs? Also 6million for Wright?, 10million for Jeffers? I could go on but its like your artcle pointless.[/quote] What utter nonsense. In 5 seasons,including this season thus far, the number of games started by English players in the Premiership for Arsenal amount to 203 games...thats right, 203....that just about constitutes one English player per season. Enough of the camoflague. Either openly accept that thats

where are u from, football is a business not charity, if arsenal are giving club from championship big money for players that are not worth the price do u think arsenal will be where they are today. look at the way arsenal have spend on players and look at the way clubs like Tottenham, Aston villa,Newcastle and others, it's not about English or foreign players it's about spending wisely

what are you yalking about arsenal being a sickening football club?? you have not got a clue you bigot!!

[quote]Have you guys noticed how sour and bitter the gooner fans become when their team structure and policy is criticized. Every body in football would see Arsenal's policy but the fickle fans and their manager are the only narrow minded that dont see the points being made. As a matter of fact, truth hurts. By the way, why is eboue given preference to theo? As one of you guys above stated, eboue is on stand-by, so then why isnt theo given this chance to shine? And dont say he cant play right wing, coz he can.[/quote] Its not bitterness, all I want is for people to write their own articles with their own opinion, too many jump on band wagons, its boring.

What a load of B8llocks!! If the English talent is good & can stay out of pubs & strip joints, avoid roasting parties ect then Arsene may look at them. All this crap about supporting British talent, nice in an ideal world but we cant even find a English manager to lead our national side-Arsene knows!!!

do you not realise that arsenal do not buy already porven stars half of the arsenal team have yes been brought from abroad but they was bought as unestablished young players. i dont think there is more than 2 players in the arsenal first team squad whcih have been brought after they have been already established

West Ham Utd were, during the Summer accused of forcing up prices by aggressively buying British. Nice to see the Hammers praised for having so many British players. Erm, actually I don't see any praise. Can I also say Darren Bent chose to ruin his career like Jermaine Defoe by moving to a so-called big club....

[quote][quote]Bentley, Boothroyd, sidwell,Pennant,Stack, Taylor,Gray amongst others all who have gone to ply their trade in PL or Championship, The following players are there now and are been nutured by Arsenal Gibbs, J Hoyte, G Hoyte, Lansbury, Watts, , Gilbert, Simpson, Rodgers,Thomas,Cruise,Murphy, Bartley, Blackwood. Before writing articles get your facts in order matey. Your using comments attributed to the daily hacks that as we all know are rarely right. Yes we have foreign but we also have english, surely the 12 million we are drip feeding Southampton is more than the 10Million they got from Spurs? Also 6million for Wright?, 10million for Jeffers? I could go on but its like your artcle pointless.[/quote] What utter nonsense. In 5 seasons,including this season thus far, the number of games started by English players in the Premiership for Arsenal amount to 203 games...thats right, 203....that just about constitutes one English player per season. Enough of the camoflague. Either openly accept tha

Who cares about investing in ENGLISH (not british, it doesnt count) when your club is great in itself? I could not care less about the state of English football but I do care that it is supposed to be Arsenal's fault, the team who has a youth academy that spouts English and foreign players for fun. just because Spurs have to go to a crappy club and get this crappy player does not make us look bad, but spurs.

Without doubt the most pointless article of the year. What did you do? Cut and paste that from numerous Daily Mail articles? Ill tell you when arsenal may be "put to shame" - the day spurs finish above us with 11 english players. Dont hold your breath though. It aint ever happening. Happy christmas you deluded idiot.

I am sure Arsenal and their fans will get over the shame of it all when they consider Spurs have spent more money since AW has been there and all they have managed to win is a League Cup under George Graham. In that time Arsenal have won two doubles, the league three times, the FA Cup four times and have qualified for the Champions League every season. Also in that time Arsenal have gone from a big team in England to one of the biggest teams in the World. Looks to me like this Gunter guy is a perfect example of what Spurs have achieved since 1961. Should Arsenal really feel ashamed Spurs continue to spend money on turkeys? <peemyselflaughing>

gerry you are right here, if we don't deal with this problem we won't be good enough to beat the likes of macedonia..oh yes, sorry, we aren't

Why do you care about england? They are poor.

If you want to be real here guys, Mr. Wenger doesn't buy english players because because they're not good enough, and the ones that are lack the necessary drive, dicipline and patience to make it. I.e. Pennant (whom Wenger didn't actually want to sell, but had enough of his behaviour), Bentley and Sidwell left b/c they wanted first team football, Jeffers just didn't make the grade. But if you look, Wenger sold Anelka who i believe if he had stayed we wouldn't have cried if Henry left, cause Anelka kept him on the bench. Why? cause he had a bad attitude. He allowed Reyes (who would broke our transfer record if he had stayed)to leave, b/c he didn't want to stay. So as you can see, Wenger actually treats all equal, if he see's you got what it takes in every area, he'll give you a chance. He's learnt from his past mistakes, which is what makes him such a good manager. A reason that no one has every really wanted to leave arsenal exect for first team football.

Instead of blaming wenger why dont you guys blame the FA who have hired another foriegner cause english coaches are not up to scratch. They have not won premier league since it started and since the premier league has started have not won the FA or Carling cup to many times. What is the point of an FA coaching badge when they like the ITALIAN one better!!! The state of the game in england can be laid on the lack of vision and foresight by the FA - but typical english reaction - BLAME JONNY FORIGNER FOR OUR DOWN FALLS - thats why arsenal and wenger are soft easy targets.

Name one other club in the top five who has invested in young british talent from lower leagues. Exactly none!To say arsenal is a sickening club is both unfair and downright nasty. The only english club who has steadily produced more than 4 world class players at the present moment is west ham. The problem at the moment is the premium on english players. Curtis Davies and Ashley were two players who Arsene really liked but was priced out of. The two would have cost 20mil so instead for 20mil wegner brought the czech republic captain, Adebayor and Hleb all world class talent. The funny thing is other than scholes and Neville all the man u english players were far more expensive than our most expensive signing. What about the fee we paid for walcott and also if you want to speak about helping other clubs, look how many decent young players we loan out and sell on the cheap. Birmingham wouldnt even be in the prem if it wasnt for Arsenal loaning them so many players at a time

so how many top quality foreign stars have we ACTUALLY gone out and signed? denilson probably the most expensive at £3million, then maybe diaby at about the same. yoour article is absolute rubbsish and its the same old boring rubbish that we see 3 or 4 times every week. if wenger thought he was better than the layer we already have in his position then we would have signed him, but i trust le boss. as previously mentioned we have plenty of young english talent coming thru anyway so ur argument is a moot point

Many people confuse their hate for Arsenal with their love for England. Separate the two and you may actually start to make sense. England are hopeless, and would be even if Arsenal fielded 11 English players every week. On the other hand, Arsenal would never be competitive with 11 Englishmen. Now try some basic logic and see what the answer is.

In fact the FA coaching badge is worthless because it has not brought any results in the highest level of football!! but this is the same FA badge that produces low skilled, poor technical but physically strong and high stamina footballer players. And you guys keep wondering where your going wrong!! All the english kids at arsenal even if they dont make it have had world class education from one of the best coaches in the world who can show medals to prove it.

Phil Katz O hara was and arsenal product

Arsenal fans...Say what you like, but your position is indefensible. Merry Christmas!

Am shocked. why are you picking on arsenal? why should totenhams choice of players bring shame on us???? We(arsenal) buy players we deem fit to play to our kind of football. its that simple. Plus its a well known fact that QUALITY english players are overpiced, thats why the big 4 in the premier league hardly have a core base of English talent. Arsenal has done a lot for the lower divisions. We have loaned out and sold so many players to these leagues..and thanks to them, the standard of the game is increasing in those leagues. The least you can do is at least appreciate. What totenham does will never bring shame to us....you should rather praise us for making more teams invest in young players, seeing that we started this trend(to a large degree).

Let's be honest Aresenal are a cancer in the EPL. An all foreign team does nothing for English football. I admire Spurs for buying English. They should have got a point last Saturday. Manchester United to finish top!

All the comment made against Arsenal are out of pure Jealousy. Most of the people making these comments are fans of teams whos dreams and aspirations are to become what Arsenal is today. A well run football club, always challenging for top honours, playing attractive football and not in debt due to wages and transfer fees. There is not a single Spud who would not swap their English players for some of the Silverware Wenger has won over the last 10 years. The fact that Arsenal are challenging and playing such beautiful football simply brings out the jealous side of many not so lucky fans. Simply JEALOUS!

you have the intelligence of a potted plant.

why are all you arsenal fans trying to justify the money you have spent on young english players its a well known fact that they simply can not blossom at arsenal as a spurs fan i wish we could find some off the young foreign talent that seems to come off your conveyer belt but we have been bitten more than once so best we stick with british players and have to go a bit earlier than we would like because we dont have the financial clout off the big four and if one the players became sensational and nassive couldnt live with the big four for eg rooney ,walcott,rio ferdinand all these commanded a big transfer fee but spurs were not in the running and then if you look at foreign youngsters ronaldo, torres,nani,anderson and we couldnt sway them so we have to be in early but arsenal have that sway but have been lousy in buying young british richard wright was established at ipswich yet did nothing (apart from letting that equalizer in against gus poyet )franny jeffers was banging them in for everton mathew upson

apart from mayb man u and liverpool. name a team in the PL that doesn't have an ex-arsenal player in there squard. you would find very few. y? thats because Wenger produces talent. They may not be cut out for the arsenal team, but most are good enough for other squads. That just shows how good arsenals team and academies are. As said before, English players are either way to overpriced or they they coming asking for a bank before proving they worth a penny. over summer Wenger stated that he like reo-coker and would consider bidding. y? is reo-coker not playing w/ arsenal. yh he may have been w/in Wengers budget, he was demanding to much in salary.

Never before have I read such rubbish. Your reason for Spurs "helping" - they are giving them a couple of million. On that basis, Arsenal have done just as much for Southampton by shelling out for Theo Walcott. Spurs are buying young, Welsh talent, this is terrible news for the national team. Being the ENGLISH Premier League, we want to see as many English players making it as possible. Spurs are ruining this by buying Welsh talent, and blocking the English players in their youth ranks from progressing. We don't care about British talent in the Premier League. If they're English, great; Welsh, Scottish, even Irish? Who cares.

I feel dumber for reading this article.

Gerry are you related to Adrian Durham on Talk Sport as your article remins me of the drivle he puts forward as an argument on his show, and to be honest like him I doubt you even truly believe the rubbish you have posted given the amount of inaccuracies.One of the reasons Arsene steers away from British Players is because the home market prices are ludicrous. In fact didnt Spurs bow down to this by spending 16m on a bench warmer. Sure they have helped Cardiff....to get relegated.

I am a Arsenal fan, there you have it, at least everybody agrees that english player is inferior. The saddest part is, the only way to try to compete with Arsenal is to try to handicap them by limiting the number of foreign players they play. I am not English, so I do not care if England does not qualify for anything. Maybe it is better for the english players or clubs that play english players. They get a summer off watching from their sofas instead of participating.

The worst part is that all the profit $$$ from the so called english club goes to their FOREIGN owner's pocket. It is OK when it is 100% owned by foreigner.

Spuds.... gotta love em alway's complaining... i love good football /good players ,west ham have quite a few brit's and only a few through the youth, if you could have a team come through the youth, where ever there from should be applauded

The reason why Arsenal don't go in for championship players is because they are priced out of the market (like most teams ...player prices should be capped IMO) and if you've got a good scouting system like Arsenal do you'd do better to search the world for the best players. As a spurs supporter I can't really debate if we have a better youth system until we start challenging them in the league and our British contingent show their worth.

Terrible article.You should read Martin Sameul more m8.He will tell you why Wenger doesn't buy English players.Besides you will have egg on you faces when five years from now the spine of the arsenal team will be english.Did you the no. of arsenal players in the last england under 16 squad? 8! all with the technique of a brazilian!

BRITISH PLAYERS ARE CRAP. THAT'S WHY NO BRITISH TEAMS QUALIFY FOR EURO2008.

British Xenophobia and racism at its very best in English football in this article and some subsequent comments. You would have thought that after having NO british teams at Euro 2008, that some of the lessons giving journalists in english football would have learned a thing or two about their obssession with little foreigner Arsene Wenger. But oh no, wait "world class" English and British players come so cheap that for "only" £4m , Spurs (lying 13th in the Premier League- with all its proud English signings , I can see a theme recurring there) gets all the plaudits for signing a player who may well not do anything in football while remember, that Van Persie and Fabregas cost a combined £3m for Arsenal ( who are 1st in the Premier League and playing spectacular football). But wait, they MUST be rubbish; they are foreign.If that is not racism, I do not know what is.

what a load of nonsense - a pity that personal abuse not being tolerated bercause the person, and i use the term loosely, who wrote this crock of crap deserves to be roasted by micha richards and his other english premiership pal. the following is not personal, it is about sportingo - which is not a person - it is a thing. Please try to curb your writers - no matter who they support to stop writing such unmitigated bullsh**. Happy crimbo I hope santa brings you all some intelligence.

Arsenal are bringing through english talent and for someone to say that they are not is shortsighted in the extreme. Wenger's point regarding english footballers (youth in particular) is that they lack the technical ability which is prevalent amongst their foerign counterparts. However, now that Wenger has been with arsenal for 10 years and has had his youth system in place for almost the same period of time. We can expect the kids he took on aged 6-8 years, to be developing into the 16-17 year olds who are in the youth teams and reserves i.e - henri lansbury, g. hoyte, rhys murphy, paul rodgers etc. The english u-17 team at the world cup was built aroudn a core of the arsenal youth team (others contributed more i know, but the players arsenal gave were influnetial ones) Lastly, the times newspaper came out with a statistic that arsenal have the second highest percentage of english players in their YTS, second to middlesborough, if they don't make it, it is hard to argue that they are put at such a d

As a spurs fan I would just say that I'm not very impressed by Tottenham either when it comes to bringing on british talent. We bought Lennon and Bale which are big talents, but we have brought in a lot more that has never got the chance. Actually also foreigners. O'hara has been lucky due to injuries and has actually been quite good. Marney had a few chances a few years ago. King is the last youngster to break through from the academy. Players like Beckham and Crouch were not given the chance hmmm. I think Arsenal is playing good football, but when it comes to entertainment spurs are just as good. Never a dull second.

Arsenal only buy cheap labours from French speaking African Nations (or African origin)

ridiculous. all arsenal do is invest in young talent, and if there were any english players good enough arsene tries to get them, the simple fact is that there aren't. gunter is nowhere near as talented as clichy or traore and never will be. silly article

Spurs helping the English National Team??? Remember Defoe? let him rot down the order, buy 16million Bent and keep him on the bench. Buy a 4 million youngster from Cardiff who will probably flop because training with average players at Spurs, SPURS are pathetic. Bentley may have broken into Arsenal first team if he had wait a few more years but he is impatient just like most English youngsters who think it is their divine right to play in the 1st team no matter if they are not good enough. Luckily he came here and at least we have a good playmaker though i would prefer someone like fabregas or hleb who at least dont try to put long crosses all the time. English style of football s*cks. No wonder England didn't qualify for Euro2008.

i'll keep it simple for yah mate - did u see arsenal vs blackburn in the carling cup. if u did you would have noticed a few english kids who are actually a product of our youth system (randall etc.) u really need to do ur research. english players are often over priced and this is why clubs like arsenal and portsmouth etc. have to shop over seas. rio cost man u 30 mill toure cost arsenal £500,000 do the maths mate.

The quality of the articles on this site leads me to believe that this is really 'Tribal football' using another name; no greater insult is there for any site. I for one will no longer bother to click onto Sportingo, because the contributors are crap, and anyone with an ounce of commonsense will follow suit, no matter who they support.

football in 'this country'...? tottenham play in england - how does buying welsh players help the english NT?

i sense double standards regarding foreigners eh?

The youngsters you praise Spurs for buying are both Welsh. This doesn't help the English game one jot. In the footballing world 'British' doesn't exist. They are as foreign as Berbatov and Keane. Your argument is both simplistic and wrong.

As an Arsenal fan, i feel this article is very poorly written with no research. Over the last 10 years with the exception of West Ham no other team has produced more players for the England team. Bentley, Upson, Ashley Cole, Pennant have all gone onto play for England. Can you name 1 other English team who have produced 4 England players through there youth team? (exception of West Ham). The reason why most of these players did not get a chance was because they was too impatient. Both Man Utd and Chelsea have paid over the odds for English players that Wenger was interested in Rio - 30mil, Carrick - 16mil, Rooney - 30mil, Wright Phillips - 25mil, Rooney - 30mil. Are you telling me that Fabregas, Toure, Van Persie are not as good if not better than these players? and they cost a combined total of 3.5mil. If the small number of English talent wasn't so overpriced then Wenger would buy English players, but as soon as any of the big 4 want an English player, then the price shoots up. Plus Arsenal would rather pr

First of all, Arsene is a good guy that stick to pureness of football by buying talents and not looking for nationality. We wanna kick racism out of football bu we keep talking about nationality by ignoring quality. Arsene also is a man that stick to his philosophy and ignoring the pressure he faced in order to change Arsenal(we now almost be he richest club)...

Gerry Horsfields article shows the typical muddled and biased reasoning shown towards Arsenal.Lets first say Arsene Wenger does not pick or exclude anyone on Nationality. The players he cites are Welsh. Arsenal are an English Football Club. Many of Arsenal detractors talk of putting your foot in, getting in your face, physicality as ways of playing Arsenal, rarely do they try to match skill or footballing ability which proves Arsene must be doing something right.

arsenal are not taking on british talent ? miby britan dosent have the talent to get in to the gunners and yes i am a gunners fan but what about the board ? man utd, livepool , chelsea ect. have all been taken over by foriners not arsenal they are the only big team left in england who have british owners! they are british at heart so get it right before you all start giving them abuse for being the best ! gunners 4 life :D

What exactly have Manchesterr United done for English football? Ferguson inherited Beckham, both Nevilles, Butt, Scholes and Giggs but who exactly has been brought through their ranks since that is English? Wes Brown and, erm? He's spent nearly £30 mil' on ferdinand who was already in the England team, nearly £30 mil' on Rooney, and around £30 mil' on Hargreaves and Carrick (who were already in the England team!!! who have Man' U brought through and helped the national team??? The truth is (as much as it hurts) that England have won nothing since '66 and i don't really think that has anything to do with Arsenal does it? Nor does it have anything to do with foreign players playing in our top flight. England haven't won a trophy for 43 years!!!! Long beforee Wenger started buying players or any other manager for that matter...

Another ridiculous article written by a moron with no knowlege of football, keep 'em coming Sportingo. Have you got a competition running for the 'writer' who provokes the angriest response? If so let me know and I'll send you my article on why Gary Glitter should be allowed to run the English youth set up...

What are the Arsenal 'Fans' gobbing on about?... the Tottenham system is without doubt better, we gave your lot a lesson in football using a makeshift team, Your manager Arsene Wenger said that Arsenal played below par...I think that he was trying to cover up the fact that a makeshift Tottenham made his so called superstars look poor. It was almost Tottenham reserves yet Arsenal were lucky to come away with 3 points. Tottenham have been woeful yes but we are back and Wenger will be looking closely over his shoulder over the next couple of years, oh and Man UTD for the league!!!! COYS!

VRTV Here and we had the Exclusive, with Gunter on his move. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlKBBgKWE9g

[quote]Two words, Theo Walcott[/quote] Theo & Walcott are not words there names

I have never seen so much response from the Arsenal in one post. Gerry, think you touched a raw nerve. Guess the truth hurts!.

VRTV Here and we had the Exclusive, with Gunter on his move. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlKBBgKWE9g

tOTSCUM LOOSES MATCHES AGAINST ARSENAL AND THESE RUBBISH ARTICLES POP UP ON THE INTERNET.

This is a results business. Those teams who have invested in overpriced English/British talent, such as spurs and villa in the past, have won nothing and will never win anything. If you want Arsene to invest in British players and win nothing then that is your business. Spurs have invested in several english/british players and we can all see the results of that!!

List of Arsenal reserves players Players Vito Mannone Gavin Hoyte - English Paul Rodgers - English Jay Simpson - English (on loan) Rene Steer - English Vincent van den Berg Fran Merida Nacer Barazite Abu Ogogo - English Kieran Gibbs - English James Dunne - English Wojciech Szczesny Henri Lansbury - English Rui Fonte Jay Emmanuel-Thomas - English Rhys Murphy - English Sanchez Watt - English Luke Ayling - English Craig Eastmond - English Havard Nordtveit Kyle Bartley - English Anton Blackwood - English Thomas Cruise - English Gilles Sunu Carlos Vela James Shea None of which, you'll notice, are Welsh, you absolute muppet. Do some research if you want to be taken seriously.

In essence what you are saying is that as The Arsenal dont buy english players then the whole of English football suffers, asthe players that Arsenal are trotting out now are so exceptional that if we just produced one or two Arsenal sole handedly would save english footbal and England might have also qualified for the Euros, those Oiks at the grove, hmm i think Pompey also have very few english players, I think Man citeh and Man U have little sprinklings apart from rio and rooney, or yeah Chelsea always buy english and Liverpool are absolutely rolling in English players wait a minute though they have one or two they only have four at most more than Arsenal must be the system thats producing them and the infrastructure underwhich they are recruited as Wenger said any who cries to be allowed to wallow in medocrity should not be taken serious... typical look for the scape goats and avoid the actual problem, thats ok.. if arsenal are truly the saviours of English football, then give us a few years we will come

That list was meant to be vertically stacked, apologies. Also re Bendtner, I'm quite sure he would've made the first team regardless of the loan as he is regarded as a big talent, especially in his native Denmark, and has been for quite some time.

how can you say arsenal arent helping out the championship and other lower laegue teams by loaning out the players? bendtner is the perfect example. he was one of the primary reasons birmingham gained promotion this year...think of how much more money that has earned them than a mere two or three million pounds. think before you write.

[quote]I have never seen so much response from the Arsenal in one post. Gerry, think you touched a raw nerve. Guess the truth hurts!. [/quote] Believe me, not one Arsenal fan would swap a top quality foreign player for the sake of bringing through an English player. Club before Country.

Oh God, what happened above?

'Nicklas Bendtner, hero of Saturday's win over Spurs, is a prime example. Would he have EVER made the Arsenal first team had he not learned so much during his loan spell at Birmingham?' Conversely, would Birmingham have been promoted had Arsenal not graciously decided to loan Muamba, Bendtner and Larsson for the season? Ummm... no!

I havent even read the article or comments but im fed up with such incediary titles. Normally its the Arsenal bias thst provide such pathetic literature. Lets not lower ourselves to this level.

You uneducated gobs, supporters of the likes of West Ham and Spurs etc, should fall to your knees and thank god for Arsène Wenger and Arsenal FC. Without them the English football would be grey muddy affair full of long ball merchants, drunk footballers and journeymen.. very much like the Bundesliga. Wenger has raised the bar and if its going to take English players a few years to catch up then good.. it shows that they are nowhere near as good as some of their foreign counterparts and that, big surprise, 'English' football isn't as good as it likes to think.

Arsenal have never done anything for English football. From the very inception of the club right up until Wenger came along, Arsenal played the most backward, cynical, boring football in all of England. (The fact that they had considerable success playing this way just harmed English football even more.) Now they finally are playing modern football under Wenger, but he obviously has utter disdain for English players. It's not just that he prefers to buy foreign players...it goes a lot further than that. So why would anyone ask Arsenal to lift a finger for English or British football? Why would they start now?

If you look at the stats for this season's Arsenal U18 side you will see that 23 out of 30 players used are English and like reported in the Times Arsenal have more English lads than all except boro. IF you go back even only 10 years you will find that having 23 English out of 30 players is similar to back then, the difference is that now in place of Irish WELSH and Scots Arsenal have foreign lads so it is not English football Arsenal are hurting as we are still taking on as many English lads as at any time. The difference is that due to our Schoolboy Academy at Hale End we are not producing lads with the technique of the best youths in the world and will aid England national side in the not too distant future

YES EVRY1 LETS ALL CONGRATULATE SPURS FOR HELPING BRITISH FOOTBALL...... A TEAM THAT IS BRINGIN "HOME GROWN PLAYERS" TO A CLUB FIGHTIN FOR MID TABLE MEDIOCRITY. THEY WER LETS NOT 4GET IN THE RELEGATION ZONE. P.S. WAYNE ROUTLEDGE, SEAN DAVIS, CALUM DAVENPORT.....THESE NAMES RING A BELL!!! al signed by spurs to 'help british football'....wer r they... GET REAL MATE!

yes i see your point, but a team like tottenham who should be aiming for a top 5 position (not top 4) would rather invest in anyone if it means they get to their goal rather than lingering in mid table but to get recognition from you.

So, are you arsenal fans in favour of the limit on foreign players in your team or not? Please answer, as if it came into force next season you'd all be royaly, er, buggered. You would wouldn't you?

How can you say that Fergie inherited Giggs, Scholes, Nevilles (G & P), Butt, Beckham et al..... David Beckham was 14 when he arrived at OT...... and the team was managed by none other than Alex Ferguson..... Typical Arsenal drivel..... "I was not there, I did not see it" myopia is something all associated with the South London Nomads Club....

Oh yes. Arsenal,first placed in the premiership are being put to shame by the relegation fodder oven dodgers. We are indeed ashamed.