The part about Hicks and Gillette was added by Sportingo. I personally believe Parry took the decision, not H and G.

to be honest i think had it been a club which had fallen into financial trouble due to the financial demands of the modern game then Liverpool would have been more than happy to stump up the money, however Luton have been involved heavily in financial controvery over the last few years and have left many people involved in the game and at the club asking themselves how has this happened??? the missing millions??? the previous owners of Luton Town hold the key to solving their financial woe, not Liverpool FC!

Why do you choose to believe Parry took the decision? Have you any evidence to support this claim? Luton may have been more successful in this appeal had they played it out privately, rather than in public, in the same way that the nurses' representatives attempt to publicly bully football clubs into giving them a handout backfired when Gareth Southgate rightly told them to get stuffed.

I mean its not as though Luton are exactly whiter than white are they? The disgraceful way in which Mike Newell was treated after hsi bung outbust makes me happy we didn'tr give them a penny. Would have probably gone to the board members and none to the players

I feel awful for Luton, but how many clubs would you like Liverpool to stump up the cash for? There are a whole load of clubs in debt, I suppose you think Bill Shankly would have ensured that Liverpool paid the wages of every member of staff at every club who was 'unlucky' enough to get themselves into financial trouble? Sorry to rain on your parade, but Shanks would have done nothing of the sort, his priority was 100% Liverpool and everyone else could take a walk.

I have to admit I nearly fell off my chair when I heard they would not give us the gate. Totally shameful from LFC

The big 4 clubs have now reached saturation point with their current supporters, there is no more income to rake off the existing punters. So how does a business respond (and these enterprises are now 99% business franchise with the reamining 1% a football team in the sense that Shankly would have recognised) in this situation? Expand overseas (Far East, here we come) and/or look to "convert" domestic supporters. The problem with domestic supporters is that they already have their local team to follow. Logical follows, squeeze lower league clubs by denying them transfer fees and TV revenue (both of which have been done mercilessly in the last 15 years). Luton will be the first of several clubs to go under and the big clubs are no doubt already counting the additional revenue from migrating supporters.

Luton made their own bed through mismanagement. Why should they be then bailed out and guilt trips laid on bigger clubs. Liverpool were pretty much thrown out of the so called football family by Platini and his cronies last May so let the rest of their family bail Luton out if they feel like.

I think im right in saying that Luton town asked in public for Liverpool to donate their share of the gate. In my eyes this was unacceptable for them to ask it should have been a private matter and then left up to liverpool fc to decide if it should be made public. Luton have been criticized over all the corruption and lost money so maybe Liverpool were unsure where that money would actually go. Plus there is the anfield fixture now so they will make a decent amount from that.

You guys are probably right, and Luton put themselves in this situation, BUT, this is surely an exceptional situation? It could mean the difference between staying in the league or going under. Whatever financial mismanagement has taken place, it's not the fault of the fans or lower level staff connected with the club. They should not have to suffer because of the incompetence of a few individuals. Premiership teams shouldn't just hand money out for the slightest thing, but when a team in such a dire situation, I think teams such as Liverpool have a moral duty to assist.

Right or wrong, crooks or not it is the fans that could see their beloved club fold. A bit of short term help from a mega club is the only issue. Sort it out LFC, enjoy your champions league fortunes but help fans and players in need in the short term. I really thought your team was differnet to the rest.

I justr knew this would be one of Jamies non-educated bull articals. Why don't you ask Wrexham what they think about Liverpool,FACT is with or without that £100,000 they tried to blackmail(true to type) us out of they will go out of buisness at 5pm tonight unles they find a money man,so either way that money wouldn't have gone to the players.

Where asking for help was warranted. If it was just ordinary financial problems then I wouldn't argue with LFC. When the situation is so grave, and a club with a 110 year league history sits on the verge of extinction (and Liverpool would not suffer one iota by providing their support) I cannot see the reason for the request being refused. Waiving the gate income would not harm LFC at all. It's just selfishness that is incompatible with the spirit of the club.

Why should any club bail out another club who are in financial stress BECAUSE OF MISMANAGMENT BY THEIR DIRECTORS. If another club is strapped for cash just because they are, like Wrexham, then we've helped out by annual friendlies and playing our reserve games there until this season. Luton do not deserve any help, because the mess they are in is totally the ex-directors fault.

I agree that it would be nice for the bigger clubs to help out in a situation like this with all their riches... However it should not fall on one club just cos they drew them in the cup. If this football family exists then all the clubs should group together to help a fellow team but with someone in charge of the money raised so that this doesnt happen again. I do feel for the fans but this really should have been sorted by a higher authority a lot sooner

...so what is your point, Skamp? If Liverpool can waive their gate fees three years in a row to help Wrexham, why not a one off gesture for Luton, who are infinitely more trouble? And Luton did approachh the club in public first - Kevin Blackwell was asked about the private approach IN AN INTERVIEW and responded to questions in public.

But I thought Liverpool were better than the selfish likes of Manure and Chelsea. The humanatarium spirit instilled by Shankly supposedly runs through the club, so where was it in this situation? With this refusal, Liverpool have become just like all the other self-serving, cash obsessed clubs, instead of being the club that stands out from everyone else. As I stated in ther article, it's no coincidence that in the last tax year, Liverpool made no cash contribution to charity. Is this the start of a new negative era for the club, where selfishness rules and everyone else can go to hell? if so, then it's wrong.

Well hate to admit it Jaimie but since the american owners I am afraid this will be the way liverpool fc will go.

Regular finacial help? Just a one off. Have a heart!! The money will go to the players as their is an admin man their

[quote]But I thought Liverpool were better than the selfish likes of Manure and Chelsea. The humanatarium spirit instilled by Shankly supposedly runs through the club, so where was it in this situation? With this refusal, Liverpool have become just like all the other self-serving, cash obsessed clubs, instead of being the club that stands out from everyone else. As I stated in ther article, it's no coincidence that in the last tax year, Liverpool made no cash contribution to charity. Is this the start of a new negative era for the club, where selfishness rules and everyone else can go to hell? if so, then it's wrong.[/quote] J, you are forgetting the huge amount of merchandise Liverpool give to charities, and help they give. Direct financial contributions may not be there, but that is not to say Liverpool are not doing anything. I have a signed pair of Robbie Fowlers boots bought at an auction from the Mines Advisory Group (against Landmines) to show for that. That contribution raises more money a

They'll be asking for our Champions League money to cover some of the bungs they've given.

And all credit to the club for that. However, every year for decades (as per the club's annual financial reports) LFC have given money directly to charity. Why has this suddenly changed? Donating merch is great, but some charities don't have the time or resources to set up auctions etc. Plus, that costs money - auctioneers have to be paid, staff etc. Giving money directly costs nothing, plus, with GiftAid, the carity can claim back the tax and make more. Spurs gave 4.5m last year. Says it all really. Just giving merchandise and sending players to hospitals costs the club nothing compared to giving cold hard cash, which can be immediately utilised by a charity.

Did you ignore the fact the money wouldn't have made it to the club/employees on purpous Jamie.

Loved nothing more than getting one over another club (he called it robbing)so your arguement falls flat on its a*** yet again.

Jamie, Kevin Blackwell was asked what he thought the LIKELY outcome of Luton's request would be He was asked to SPECULATE. By the way Wrexham were on the verge of bankrupcy, Liverpool's reserves playing at their ground and the gate receipts from friendlies helped to alleviate their problems which were not as in Luton's case caused through alleged corruption.

So, another media idiot trying to diminsh Liverpool. Go back to you lords at Old Trafford and try another angle.

It was Luton's administrators who made the gate receipt request, not Kevin Blackwell, the Directors or any of the players. Ans Skamp - where the money goes and what debt gets paid first is irrelevant - Every little helps, and if the cash influx would buy Luton some time to find a buyer/solve their problems, then it would definitely be worth it. And if you really think Bill Shankly would approve of this decision, then you clearly have no clue about the political views that shaped his life and career.

...is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football, that's how I see life." This is incompatible with Liverpool's current decision. Throughout the last 50 odd years, years fans/players/Club Directors/managers etc have perpetuated the legend of Bill Shankly and how he is the spirit of club. Was this all just a myth? It must have been, because the same fans are now saying it's right to tell Luton to get stuffed! If the fans really believed in the 'Liverpool Way', they would be slamming the club for this selfish action.

If we played football by his ethics today, we'd be in the Rymans Welfare League paying players 2 and 6 a week. Football has moved on to such a degree that Shankly's ideals no longer work in Professional Football. His ideals were great for his time, but that's all. Next you'll be quoting Shakespeare and saying Robbie's Autobiography is not a patch on him!!

Jamie,Luton have until 5.30pm to find a buyer end of story. Shanks the man that he was would've called for them to be thrown out of the League as soon as there bung scandal hit,if you don't think he would then you're more out of touch than i originaly thought.You're also forgetting the bad blood between the 2 clubs (or maybe you just don't know)

[quote]Jamie,Luton have until 5.30pm to find a buyer end of story. Shanks the man that he was would've called for them to be thrown out of the League as soon as there bung scandal hit,if you don't think he would then you're more out of touch than i originaly thought.You're also forgetting the bad blood between the 2 clubs (or maybe you just don't know)[/quote]

Skamp, I have watched every Luton vs Liverpool match for the last 30 years and know nothing of this 'bad blood', unless you refer to; 1. Kenny Dalglish's personal hatred of the plastic pitch. 2. The FA Cup tie that was cancelled due to snow in the late 1980s. 3. The abuse that Luton's black players received at Anfield in the early/mid 1980s. Shankly would be ashamed. And this really is a matter of life and death for LTFC.

The FA cup game that your fansd managed to get to but because half your team was out injured your team couldn't.The Club has always been bent right back to how it used to bend over backwards for Thatcher & BANNED away fans.

[quote]The FA cup game that your fansd managed to get to but because half your team was out injured your team couldn't.The Club has always been bent right back to how it used to bend over backwards for Thatcher & BANNED away fans.[/quote] Thanks, I suppose you'll be dancing some sort of jig when we go under (possibly this evening).

Liverpool are only interested in SELF pity, not pity for others.

Come on you lot - this "article" is a total scam, made to provoke reaction - and it's worked ! How on earth could you otherwise make such naive, emotional pleas, over a club that has sorely been mis-managed. Dont forget Newell's pending claim. Will he waive that? I do hope not. Its others that have got poor Luton into this fix.

There is a precedent in that Liverpool once wrote off hundreds of thousands of pounds of transfer fees owed to them by Swansea when they nearly went to the wall. If they could do it then, why not now for heck of a lot less.

[quote]There is a precedent in that Liverpool once wrote off hundreds of thousands of pounds of transfer fees owed to them by Swansea when they nearly went to the wall. If they could do it then, why not now for heck of a lot less.[/quote] Because Swansea were not bent,just as Wrexham were not bent.Thankyou for pointing out that LIVERPOOL FC are one of the most generous clubs in existence.

[/quote] Because Swansea were not bent,just as Wrexham were not bent.Thankyou for pointing out that LIVERPOOL FC are one of the most generous clubs in existence.[/quote] Does that make it right that loyal fans like yourselves should suffer? I hope these people are bought to justice, but i doubt it. Im not saying LFC should have but would it have hurt?

Did Luton offer to wave there Leeds gate and did Leeds ask all the teams they were playing to wave the gate/tv money ? Fact is if Liverpool had fallen for the Blackmail then a dangerous precedent would've been set & you'd have every team in the Football League expecting Prem teams to bail them out.So yes it could've hurt alot more than the retards on here could even imagine.

[quote]Did Luton offer to wave there Leeds gate and did Leeds ask all the teams they were playing to wave the gate/tv money ? Fact is if Liverpool had fallen for the Blackmail then a dangerous precedent would've been set & you'd have every team in the Football League expecting Prem teams to bail them out.So yes it could've hurt alot more than the retards on here could even imagine.[/quote] should expect no more skamp as it you morons who stopped us playing in europe! lets hope the tv deal never goes tits up as it would hurt you boys more than the likes of us.

Ask Wrexham, hundreds of schools around Merseyside, Alder Hey childrens hospital and many, many youth clubs and welfare organisations about Liverpool Football Clubs generosity.Luton are on the brink because of corruption and financial irregularities, self harm ( for our friend here who mentioned self pity ) This boiled down to little more than blackmail and i for one am glad we held firm. What next, pay the players bar bill for last nights celebration ? Don Hutchison must have made a few bob through the years, remember the Bud Don *-) Why do big clubs owe the small clubs anyway ? If Luton got decent support they could save the club, why don't the fans bail them out ? 20k fans a tenner each lmao. The worlds a tough place, play by the rules and you don't get busted. YNWA.

I think ultimately the reason Liverpool should have given Luton the gate receipts is because, irrespective of who 'owns' the club, any professional football team is only there because of the fans. Players, managers and owners come and go but the people who always remain loyal to the club are the fans. Even the most knowledgable Luton fans do not know where our missing £13million (reportedly) has gone in the last 2 to 3 years. A club with such limited resources making that amount is a miracle in itself, so why didn't we see any of it?! We had been pushing for answers the longer the financial scandals were going on... but being a 'little' team there was little publicity til this tie. Being a 'little' team, the FA weren't pressurised into protecting the club under the 'fit and proper' owners rule. Yet, now we, the fans and players with no association to the scandals, have felt the full punishment of the FA that is there to protect the integrity of the game. Our club secretary even acted as a 'mole' from wit

Obviously that postponed game in 1986 has caused a few chips on shoulders ("Calm down, calm down!"). Unfortunately the "Bent Luton" claims do not quiet stand up to scrutiny; 1. Luton have only been charged, the hearing is some way off (no doubt the deeply unhappy Skamp has already made up his mind on the verdict and is constructing a gallows as we speak). 2. Luton have already entered a plea of "NOT guilty" (sorry lads, I know that's not what you were hoping to hear). 3. The agents involved have all said they will contest the charges and that the charges are laughable and basically clerical oversights that happen at all smaller clubs. One agent is actually charged with failure to fill in forms that the FA have subsequently admitted did not exist at the time of the deal. Maybe a hint of overzealous prosecution here? 4. The most serious charge is that Luton wrote cheques that were not in the name of the club, they used the name of the club's holding company. The holding company was called Jayten (because w

Jayten (because we had hoped to build a new stadium at Junction 10 on the M1, but John Prescott, he say NO! - J10 ... Jayten, clever huh?). Despite the company being the majority shareholder this is not allowed, cheques have to refer to Luton Town FC. It seems this was done with some deception in mind; Newell, famously, did not want to see agents taking a cut (who does?) and so the then-chairman used these "Jayten" cheques to pay agents on the sly. The ex-chairman's defence is that the deals would never have taken place without the agent’s involvement, which is also hard to argue with. Maybe Skamp feels clubs of Luton's ilk should not actually be allowed to buy players, though. We have sold you some good 'uns over the years, you might miss us when we're gone. Anyway, the word is that payment via a third party is exactly how one of the "Big Four" conduct their business and this case will be used to remind them of the rules and regulations (don’t worry, rumour is that the outfit involved are London-based).

So Luton could find themselves with a hefty fine points deduction in place of the big club who will have to take this as their "final warning" on the issue. I think Luton's biggest crime is washing their dirty laundry in public and having a very honest manager (note that nobody has offered Newell a job since, hhmmm, did he get too close to the truth that these practices go on at most clubs?). And, at the end of the day, exactly what edge did Luton gain? Most of these players were signed on contracts where every Tom, Dick and Harry Redknapp took a 10% cut, the club has sold players for big money, but most of that has gone in payments to third parties (Newell himself was on 10% of all players sales, which he seems to have conveniently forgot to mention). When the FA get round to explaining the England/Euo2008 farce they might want to reflect on the players that used to ply their trade at clubs like Luton. And when Liverpool have their shiny new stadium and their franchise football, with the synergies creat

And when Liverpool have their shiny new stadium and their franchise football, with the synergies created within the American portfolio of like-minded enterprises, they might look around and remember the old working class game with it's novelties like the FA Cup and smaller clubs. Shanks the Man would surely be sick to his boots.

[quote]The same fans whos top chant yesterday was FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK.[/quote] Imagi ne a scenario where your american owners effectively steal and waste all your money, then drop you right in it with the governing bodies, whilst disappearing from football and not being charged in any way shape or form. You then get a heavy fine and points deduction for something they have stupidly done, not you the fans, not the players, and wonder what happens to owners having to pass a 'fit and proper test'. Even more than that, this gets next to no publicity within football and the media, and your club is one day away from going bust after 123 years of being associated with playing football in 'the right way' as Luton did on Sunday...Personally, I wouldn't even wish that on Watford! (although parts of it happening wouldn't be too bad ;-) )

[quote]The same fans whos top chant yesterday was FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK.[/quote] The treatment of Crouch was unpleasant, but there is history and a reason (and, seeing as you all think a postponed game in 1986 justifies liquidating the oldest football club in the south of England, I think Mr Crouch should explain his particularly underhand method of bundling Luton out of the Cup when he played for QPR ... bottom line is he and his team cheated on a grand scale and it has not been forgotten).

Maybe, after reading up on a few facts, the odd apology would be in order? Luton only ever had one shot at European football, but Heysel robbed us of that. We wouldn't harp on about that, but it seems that a bit of Bedfordshire snow in 1986 gives you the right to heap abuse on us ... I did not realise that the Spanish were so sensitive.

Spot on. This 'bent Luton' stuff is a load of crap, and it's just an excuse for so-called Liverpool fans to argue that Liverpool were right to deny the gate income. And people going on a postponed FA Cup game 20 years ago?! Pathetic and yet another excuse from the apologists. Liverpool fans are supposedly the 'best' in the game. Well, Skamp is an example of the majority of Kop fans then that contention is ridiculous wide of the mark. The club should have waived their gate income. End of story.

..be fair. That's the so-called 'Liverpool way' - or it was until the excesses of modern football and ignorance of modern fans destroyed all that. Anyone who examines the Luton situation fairness and a critical eye can see that the manager, players and fans have nothing to do with what's gone on. The club should not be allowed to self-destruct at the whim of a few incompetent idiots. Liverpool could have done the right thing and recognised that. It didn't happen and there's no excuse. All that is required for the final destruction of Liverpool's proud history and traditions is the appointment of Jose Mourinho as manager. If that happens, it's all over. And the so called 'fans' who think Luton should wither and die will love it.

We actually lived just outside Liverpool when I was a kid & I used to go to matches regularly (my Mum's side were Scousers, my Dad was a Hatter). At that time the Scouse character (and the associated humour) was held in high esteem but I do recall witnessing terrible abuse of Luton's black players. The attitude was that this was 'lads being lads'. I remember somebody shouted at Ricky Hill "he's the crouching figure in the 'evolution of man' diagram!" and it got a huge laugh. Brian Stein used to get the monkey chants too. All in jest, of course, and no offence meant.

at the end of the day, this has nothing to do with the fans and the simple fact of the matter is this..Liverpool didnt have to donate the gate money and so they didnt. After all why should they? Just because we are a bigger team with bigger revenue doesn't mean we have to put our hands in our pockets for every charity case that comes along. Liverpool fc supports numerous charities which raise money for sick kids and the like. Other football teams do not therefore rank highly on the priorities of the team, the board of directors or the fans. Get a grip and don't beg in public in the future you make yourself look no beter than a disgruntaled beggar who shouts obsenities when you dont give them a pound for a cup of tea!

Soldlogan, read the details again, the club's administrator asked, without publicity, for a donation. This was flatly refused. In an interview Blackwell (Luton's manager) was asked "Wouldn't it be nice if Liverpool showed a bit of solidarity and donated their share of the gate ..." Now maybe Blackwell should have been a bit more noble at this point and made an excuse on Liverpool's behalf and said something like "we wouldn't embarrass them by being so crass", but he didn't, he simply said "we asked, they said no". Now Liverpool and their fans are embarrassed, and rightly so. No blackmail, no begging, simply the press picking up on a staggering piece of cold heartedness. As reported, Liverpool give tiny amounts in charitable donations when compared with their income. So the club shop gives last year’s stock to kids charities … that’s like Bill Gates saying he gives his old socks to the Sally Army. If you act tight fisted, don’t be surprised when somebody picks up on it and mentions it.

Now down to basics; Chris Coyne, Luton’s influential captain and central defender, will probably be sold today to pay some short term bills. The fee will be a couple of hundred thousand, exactly the amount that Luton asked Liverpool to donate. Therefore he won’t be available for the replay and Luton have no replacement (a squad of 60 being, like, beyond our means). Big advantage to Liverpool. Now you can argue that Luton have been badly managed, but the fact that the big clubs have cornered 99% of the cash swilling around in the game means that there’s not much future outside of the Premiership. In fact, all the clubs in the deepest trouble are the ones that have had the temerity to try and climb the ladder. Sad, this used to be a game of two teams facing each other on a football pitch; now we stack 100’s of millions of pounds behind a few teams, give sod all to the rest and try and pretend that this is still, somehow, sport. The basic argument has not been changed by any response here, Shanks would be disgu

[quote]Spot on. This 'bent Luton' stuff is a load of crap, and it's just an excuse for so-called Liverpool fans to argue that Liverpool were right to deny the gate income. And people going on a postponed FA Cup game 20 years ago?! Pathetic and yet another excuse from the apologists. Liverpool fans are supposedly the 'best' in the game. Well, Skamp is an example of the majority of Kop fans then that contention is ridiculous wide of the mark. The club should have waived their gate income. End of story. [/quote] We owe Luton nothing. End of story.

It's not about owing, it's about doing the right thing and knowing the difference.

As a wrecsam suport i for one will never forget what liverpool did for our club. I do feel for luton but if liverpool havent given the gate money im sure it is for a very good reason. they are still the first club to help you thankyou liverpool.

I have been supporting the club since I was 8. So its like what, 21 years. In victory and in losses, I have always supported my team. Will the 200000 pounds really help Luton? No guarantee. They could still go down. Atleast to some extent it will take off the pressure in new signings. Who knows? Maybe G&H might give Rafa say 15K pounds and say you have to manage the other 2K by selling? This is just my perception. Anyways, everyone has their own opinions. Jamie... what can I say about you. Are you really a Liverpool fan? You are always selling the club short. Damn man....!! Whats wrong with you? 99.99% of the fans here think you are a jerk. Atleast try keeping the 0.01% on your side by not continuing your slating of the Manager and club. Cheers!!

When have Luton ever helped other clubs? Plastic pitches, banned away fans during the 80s, Rafa described as a dead man walking with a smirk by the Luton manager, oooooo and now we hear Carra got SPAT on! Screw them! Lutons own fault, dodgy dealings with transfers!!

[quote]When have Luton ever helped other clubs? Plastic pitches, banned away fans during the 80s, Rafa described as a dead man walking with a smirk by the Luton manager, oooooo and now we hear Carra got SPAT on! Screw them!Lutons own fault, dodgy dealings with transfers!![/quote] When have Luton helped other clubs? Well just maybe, come the end of the season, you may be thankful to Luton for showing Liverpool that football is a team game played with heart, effort, commitment, pride, passion played on the floor with good passing movement! Now personally, I don't think that's a bad thing if Liverpool were to turn round their season after being shown up at the Kenilworth Road. As for the fans who spat on carragher, of course they should be ashamed and not allowed back in. However, by what your implying, the England team should receive heavy punishments anytime England fans disgrace themselves? Is that fair on real England fans? No.. so why should the behaviour of a few be reflected on all Luton fans?

[quote]It's not about owing, it's about doing the right thing and knowing the difference.[/quote] Benitez handed Luton a pay out by playing crap like Kuyt & Riise on Sunday. The replay was all planned as part of our drive to help the less fortunate. Get real mate, football is about money, not sentiment but money. I personally could not care less what happens to Luton.FACT. 8-(

[quote][quote]It's not about owing, it's about doing the right thing and knowing the difference.[/quote] Benitez handed Luton a pay out by playing crap like Kuyt & Riise on Sunday. The replay was all planned as part of our drive to help the less fortunate. Get real mate, football is about money, not sentiment but money. I personally could not care less what happens to Luton.FACT. 8-([/quote] Glad to hear that's where you stand. Funny, I always saw it as a sport myself. Appropriate that the whole steaming pile is sponsored by Barclays. I assume you're looking forward to the day when it's the Euro Super League and nowt else.

Luton let 5 players go today (including Coyne and Edwards). So you'll get to play Luton Reserves next week. If that ain't the epitome of what's wrong with the modern game then I don't know what is. Interesting to note that Shank's brother, John Shankly, played for Luton. When you lot are left playing meaningless matches against Man Yoo reserves you might start to think that the wider game should have been protected.

[quote]Luton let 5 players go today (including Coyne and Edwards). So you'll get to play Luton Reserves next week. If that ain't the epitome of what's wrong with the modern game then I don't know what is. Interesting to note that Shank's brother, John Shankly, played for Luton. When you lot are left playing meaningless matches against Man Yoo reserves you might start to think that the wider game should have been protected.[/quote] If you knew anything you'd know Liverpool do more than most to protect the wider game,we just don't like being blackmailed by a club who was run on the fiddle,you could say if you go out becausw we refused to crumble we have done more good for the game than anybody,Shanks included lol

Ask for a small token of charity and you (somehow) decide that amounts to blackmail. LESS... Somebody who wants to keep his hands in his pockets will always find an excuse. Luton have been charged by the FA will basically administration oversights and have pleaded NOT guilty. LESS... the mob decides guilt/innoncence long before anything reaches court. Are you Brian Barwick?

Simple plain unadorned fact: Luton's ills are not Liverpool's fault and 100k would not sort out Luton's problems. Have you wondered how this supposedly discreet request Luton made in private came into the public domain?

For crying out loud, don't you people read what's written; the facts came out via the press (see comments above) and nobody was trying blackmail. Plain fact is LFC could've had great press but they made they wrong choice and deserve the panning they took. Fact; no team that rakes in the kind of cash that LFC make off the game (e.g. they will make 200 times Luton's revenue in terms of TV monies this year) can claim to be above the mess that the rest of the game is sliding into. The Premier League is just pigs at a trough & the big 4 spend most of their time obsessed with the Champions League. There was a time when Liverpool were in the (old/old) Second Division; if they were there now they'd have next to no chance of getting back to the top.

It's you who isn't rerading what is written,LIVERPOOL help clubs that deserve to be helped END OF STORY.YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE FROM BENT DEALINGS. ps. i hope Mike keeps on going for the money you owe him.

Skamp, these apparent 'bent' dealings are known to go on ay many Premier League clubs and the hearing hasn't happened yet so how you know what the verdict is already, I don't know, but you are obviously as thick as they come.

Came out via the press? And how the hell did the press find out? Do you think they're psychic? Situation as you see it Mark is, Luton discreetly ask Liverpool for cash, all of a sudden the press know about it. Logical conclusion, someone at either Luton or Liverpool told someone in the press. Can't see any reason why someone at Liverpool would have done so.

[quote]Soldlogan, read the details again, the club's administrator asked, without publicity, for a donation. This was flatly refused. In an interview Blackwell (Luton's manager) was asked "Wouldn't it be nice if Liverpool showed a bit of solidarity and donated their share of the gate ..." Now maybe Blackwell should have been a bit more noble at this point and made an excuse on Liverpool's behalf and said something like "we wouldn't embarrass them by being so crass", but he didn't, he simply said "we asked, they said no". Now Liverpool and their fans are embarrassed, and rightly so. No blackmail, no begging, simply the press picking up on a staggering piece of cold heartedness. As reported, Liverpool give tiny amounts in charitable donations when compared with their income. So the club shop gives last year’s stock to kids charities … that’s like Bill Gates saying he gives his old socks to the Sally Army. If you act tight fisted, don’t be surprised when s

You guys realy do know how to treat your managers don't you.

Yeah, I don't know how you sack somebody who is not getting paid and who has no contract, but there you go. I feel sorry for him, but his statement last week was a little too 'robust' for him to stay (I think he was hoping that people would beg him stay, but he's probably better off just cutting his losses and moving on). Anyway, after fielding our reserve team last night, we're free to concentrate on the league now ... ;-)

http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/england/television -bias-premiership-killing-our-lower-leagues/1503

Mick 'God' Harford has bbeen appointed as Manager of Luton Town.