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by Ed Bottomley on 25 January 2008
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Comments (23) by gaz on January 25, 2008 i am completely lost as to the point of this article? who is trying to say that the mls is better than the premier league? theres only enough players to count on one hand that could ply their trade in the premier league from the mls. its a ridiculous league with even worse players. its like comparing our basketball league to the NBA....just dont do it. by mike on January 25, 2008 its on a par with bottom half of the championship and top half league one by TTerbein on January 25, 2008 The issue here is that some people DO think MLS is good (like LALAS), and that most Yanks base their disgust for football on their own atrocious league - get rid of the MLS i say by Wigan Blue on January 25, 2008 Erm - wasn't the first one ever seen Dennis Tuart's in the League Cup Final in 1976? So that puts them 32 years behind by my reckoning. by Mark on January 25, 2008 I massively enjoy watching MLS, and I'm English born and bred, supporting a Premeirship team. I think the quality of MLS is easily on par with the Championship, but with a big South American influence that produces some very nice looking football some times. Obviously its not the Premiership, but only La Liga can claim to be its equal, so there's no point comparing the two. by peter knight on January 25, 2008 Americans don't hate "soccer" & football on TV is not broken up by commercials!! What channel are you watching? I'm English born & bred and am extremely gratefull for the huge amount of football on TV. British people are misled if they think there's no interest in the beautiful game here. There's more live premiership football televised in the US on Saturdays than in England, so this "Yank bashing" doesn't hold up. by get over yourself on January 25, 2008 There was nothing wrong with Twellman's kick. Nothing. It was the real deal. Cahill's was gorgeous. Twellman's was ridiculous. Get a life. by Bill Bak on January 25, 2008 The MLS is not on par with the EPL and it never will be. Money is the big reason and travel is another. The NASL was fun for a while but they over-spent and some markets just didn't get enough at the gate. Right now the best that the MLS can hope for is to be a feeder league for Europe's better leagues. by Stelios J on January 25, 2008 Well Ed, I liked your article; I found it amusing, tongue in cheek, and very nicely written; a combination which is rarely seen on the more generic sites. Unfortunately, more people read Jeffrey Archer than Shakespeare, but don't let that put you off. Managed to miss Twellman's goal, but thoroughly enjoyed Carlton Cole's and, as they say at West Ham..."Come on you Ironies!" SJ by Warren on January 25, 2008 So what do you think your proving? Are you trying to say that "Timothys" shot wasn't good at all? Are you serious? Are you trying to be clever by using his middle name? Well my middle names Valencia, are you going to make fun of me now? Or are you just another Eurosnob who feels scared that the US is gaining on the EPL? No, where not on par with the TOP teams in the EPL, but I don't think theres a doubt that some teams in MLS can compete with the bottom half of the EPL, top level Coca Cola. I find these articles completely ignorant and pointless. You obviously have good writing skills, why not put it to better use? Why not encourage and enlighten people about MLS? Talk about the talent thats here if you want to talk about MLS, not just Beckham. Theres more to the league then just him, and I can only hope that in the future you make better and wiser decisions before writing a completely pointless article like this. All MLS wants to do is grow, don't hate on it because of that. by undefined on January 25, 2008 I think this article is pointless and stupid, anyone with football knowledge knows that the premiership is the best league in the world, of course the MLS doesnt compete with it however football is a growing sport in america (hopefully) and it needs time to develop. And to disrespect a player scoring in that fashion is stupid, i ask you Ed that if you want to judge why dont you get out of your computer chair and try it. Stupid article and stupid writer by Keith Williams on January 25, 2008 No comparison, slower, nowhere near the same talent, too many long balls. I live in Houston and watch the Dynamo's (winners of the MLS Cup last 2 years). They would compare with a mid range 1st Division team, at best. by Lief on January 25, 2008 Putting the MLS in the same breath as the top level European Leagues is simply short sighted and is more representative of the garbage coming out of LaLa Lands LA Galaxy. While the MLS has greatly improved over the last few years, it simply can not compete in any real sense with Europe. While Twellmans goal was a fun lil diddy any hype around it would come from the MLS who are desperate to be associated with top leagues. Take 5 minutes and listen to the filth coming from Lalas of the Galaxy who actually said that the Galaxy were on par with Becks other 2 clubs. I cant even name them here because it was perhaps the most offensive comment I have ever heard in sports other than when the "goals" of the game are asked for! Could the MLS compete with Championship level clubs? That is likely, but the reality is the MLS is no different than Scottish, or Dutch football minus one important thing! We dont have a Celtic, nor Rangers, nor PSV, nor an Ajax! Clearly the person who wrote this article needs to get up and tur by Lief on January 25, 2008 America is a melting pot of so many and blatant whimsical musings comparing to others are truly a sign that the MLS does not have great leadership. Look no further than Houston and Salt Lake. Salt Lake is called Real Salt Lake, I hate to inform the brain trust but America once fought a war so as to not be ruled by a Royal family, along with a parliament! Go have a look what Real means in Spanish. As for Houston ... while Dynamo sounds neat and fun and it does roll of the tongue rather well, it represents if I recall correctly the Police teams of Eastern Europe ! In the end the MLS needs to be American and at the same time conforming to the standards that make Football the world over so beloved! At this point, the MLS is nothing more than a second rate desperate to be English soccer league not worthy of truly being called Football nor the beautiful game! by FrancoS on January 26, 2008 It's good to know that there is a way to get paid for writing completely pointless articles. Tweelman? He is good for Preston North End. MLS? Same level as Championship. It has just a little bit more fashion because it's in the US. I've never read somebody saying MLS is at the same level of the first 5 European championships (unless you consider Lalas a serious manager). BTW, I like watching MLS. So? by The Rooster on January 26, 2008 Americans hate to think they are not good at anything. The truth is, anybody in the Good Old USA!! that is any god at FOOTBALL now plays over here, so that just leaves the guys who are on par with Accrington Stanley, sorry AS, i couldnt think of any other town. by erik on January 26, 2008 i think the only person (besides Lalas) who's ever imagined mls and the epl in the same train of thought- let alone imagined them on par with one another is the author of this article, and then, only to get people to read it... and it worked by Dave on January 26, 2008 This is a bunch of rubbish. Americans don't think the MLS is in any way, shape, or form on par with the Premier League. What you do have correct is that football will never be popular in the US if the MLS is their equivalent to the premier league, because the competition is incredibly poor. And why knock on Taylor Twellman? He's one of the hardest, most dedicated footballers in the US -- I would hope to see him come to England. Finally, I am curious as to why you chose Twellman's bicycle kick as a point of contention. It wasn't a big deal here in the US... at all. It might have made a highlight reel on ESPN. It did not catapult a false sense of football elitism into the American psyche... by james on January 27, 2008 i live in canada and theres no way you can say theres no love or coverage over here. when i went home to london for christmas they showed less than half the games they show over here, although they were on at a decent hour. there is no way you can compare the 2 leagues, mls went crazy and started hailing freddy adu and clint dempsey as the new zidanes, look how they turned out in proper leagues. by JDO on January 27, 2008 Personally I'm amazed that the author of this piece and the Neanderthal mouth-breathers voicing their agreement had the required intellectual capacity to turn on their computers. by Mike Fasnacht on February 27, 2008 I'm a month late to this forum, but found the article and discussion interesting. I think the author of this article misunderstands feelings about soccer in America. I don't know any Americans who consider MLS on par with the English Premier League or any other major European league. In fact, I suspect most Americans have never heard of the Premier League. David Beckham may be a household name, but that has more to do with his celebrity status (and Posh Spice) than with soccer. And Beckham is the only soccer player Americans have heard of. (As you can tell, I'm American) Americans rarely follow MLS, which is treated as a side-story in the sports pages of American newspapers. The real sports stories involve baseball, basketball, (American) football and, to a lesser extent, hockey. There's just no history of soccer in the United States, not like in England where people have passionately been watching the sport and following the same teams for generations. To suggest Americans consider MLS as equivalent to the EPL is therefore completely off base. Americans don't consider MLS much of anything, and they never consider English football. However, there are not insignificant, though relatively small when considering the overall population, numbers of Americans who watch the EPL or MLS. And I think an appreciation for soccer is growing in the United States. And that's the point. Appreciation is growing. And that's where MLS comes in. I never follow MLS and I don't know anyone who does. But it's been the most successful attempt to bring high level professional soccer to North America I can think of. And I think, now that I've read this article, I'll try to support it. Making soccer a popular sport and a viable business in the United States: That's a truly daunting task. And MLS has done a fairly good job so far. It's still a developing sport in the United States. MLS has lots of challenges: Trying to develop American talent; trying to attract top international talent (not washed up old players); trying to keep top American players from defecting to mid-level European clubs or even top level clubs; trying to turn a profit. But I think MLS offers the best chance for soccer to develop roots in the States. Shouldn't this be encouraged? If you truly like the sport of soccer, don't you think Americans should have the pleasure of having teams to follow? Don't you think America should, one day, have a top-tier soccer league? Maybe you don't. But I do. I'd never compare MLS to world-class soccer leagues, and I don't know anyone who would. But you can't blame MLS for taking an exciting play (I didn't see the Twellman kick) and using it to promote itself and the sport of soccer in the US. This is a good thing. If MLS is at the same level as the Football League Championship, as some people on this discussion have suggested, then I'm pleased. That means Americans are playing a high level of soccer, and it means MLS has come a LONG way since its first year of play in 1996. Is it as good as the Premier League? No. Is it getting better? I think so, and hopefully it continues to get better. I suspect MLS is on par with some of Europe's lesser leagues, maybe even some of its mid-level leagues. Good. If Americans get excited about soccer and MLS, that should be encouraged. Hopefully the sport will grow. Hopefully the level of play, which is already pretty good, becomes great. In a few decades our teams will be relegating Arsenal and Chelsea to the scrap heap. (That last part was a joke; don't get your knickers in a knot.) by Philip Cosby on May 16, 2008 What American in his right mind would think American soccer (MLS) is on par with the English Premier League? It has always amazed me how Europeans and more specifically Brits are so fixated on belittling a league that's clearly sub-par. The reason: Europeans have a complex problem with Americans, and have always felt subordinate to us. Do Americans fixate on European sports? I would have to say no. I have never heard an American say how crappy English football (American version) is, and how it could never match up to the NFL. I have never seen articles about European basketball leagues being "amature" compared to the NBA. And I have never heard American pundits express their opinion exclaiming American baseball is bar none over Europe and the rest of the world. We don't have to tell Europe how lousy they are in sports. We already know this. by Felipe Oliveira on May 18, 2008 <
Comments (23)
by gaz on January 25, 2008
i am completely lost as to the point of this article? who is trying to say that the mls is better than the premier league? theres only enough players to count on one hand that could ply their trade in the premier league from the mls. its a ridiculous league with even worse players. its like comparing our basketball league to the NBA....just dont do it.
by mike on January 25, 2008
its on a par with bottom half of the championship and top half league one
by TTerbein on January 25, 2008
The issue here is that some people DO think MLS is good (like LALAS), and that most Yanks base their disgust for football on their own atrocious league - get rid of the MLS i say
by Wigan Blue on January 25, 2008
Erm - wasn't the first one ever seen Dennis Tuart's in the League Cup Final in 1976? So that puts them 32 years behind by my reckoning.
by Mark on January 25, 2008
I massively enjoy watching MLS, and I'm English born and bred, supporting a Premeirship team. I think the quality of MLS is easily on par with the Championship, but with a big South American influence that produces some very nice looking football some times. Obviously its not the Premiership, but only La Liga can claim to be its equal, so there's no point comparing the two.
by peter knight on January 25, 2008
Americans don't hate "soccer" & football on TV is not broken up by commercials!! What channel are you watching? I'm English born & bred and am extremely gratefull for the huge amount of football on TV. British people are misled if they think there's no interest in the beautiful game here. There's more live premiership football televised in the US on Saturdays than in England, so this "Yank bashing" doesn't hold up.
by get over yourself on January 25, 2008
There was nothing wrong with Twellman's kick. Nothing. It was the real deal. Cahill's was gorgeous. Twellman's was ridiculous. Get a life.
by Bill Bak on January 25, 2008
The MLS is not on par with the EPL and it never will be. Money is the big reason and travel is another. The NASL was fun for a while but they over-spent and some markets just didn't get enough at the gate. Right now the best that the MLS can hope for is to be a feeder league for Europe's better leagues.
by Stelios J on January 25, 2008
Well Ed, I liked your article; I found it amusing, tongue in cheek, and very nicely written; a combination which is rarely seen on the more generic sites. Unfortunately, more people read Jeffrey Archer than Shakespeare, but don't let that put you off. Managed to miss Twellman's goal, but thoroughly enjoyed Carlton Cole's and, as they say at West Ham..."Come on you Ironies!" SJ
by Warren on January 25, 2008
So what do you think your proving? Are you trying to say that "Timothys" shot wasn't good at all? Are you serious? Are you trying to be clever by using his middle name? Well my middle names Valencia, are you going to make fun of me now? Or are you just another Eurosnob who feels scared that the US is gaining on the EPL? No, where not on par with the TOP teams in the EPL, but I don't think theres a doubt that some teams in MLS can compete with the bottom half of the EPL, top level Coca Cola. I find these articles completely ignorant and pointless. You obviously have good writing skills, why not put it to better use? Why not encourage and enlighten people about MLS? Talk about the talent thats here if you want to talk about MLS, not just Beckham. Theres more to the league then just him, and I can only hope that in the future you make better and wiser decisions before writing a completely pointless article like this. All MLS wants to do is grow, don't hate on it because of that.
by undefined on January 25, 2008
I think this article is pointless and stupid, anyone with football knowledge knows that the premiership is the best league in the world, of course the MLS doesnt compete with it however football is a growing sport in america (hopefully) and it needs time to develop. And to disrespect a player scoring in that fashion is stupid, i ask you Ed that if you want to judge why dont you get out of your computer chair and try it. Stupid article and stupid writer
by Keith Williams on January 25, 2008
No comparison, slower, nowhere near the same talent, too many long balls. I live in Houston and watch the Dynamo's (winners of the MLS Cup last 2 years). They would compare with a mid range 1st Division team, at best.
by Lief on January 25, 2008
Putting the MLS in the same breath as the top level European Leagues is simply short sighted and is more representative of the garbage coming out of LaLa Lands LA Galaxy. While the MLS has greatly improved over the last few years, it simply can not compete in any real sense with Europe. While Twellmans goal was a fun lil diddy any hype around it would come from the MLS who are desperate to be associated with top leagues. Take 5 minutes and listen to the filth coming from Lalas of the Galaxy who actually said that the Galaxy were on par with Becks other 2 clubs. I cant even name them here because it was perhaps the most offensive comment I have ever heard in sports other than when the "goals" of the game are asked for! Could the MLS compete with Championship level clubs? That is likely, but the reality is the MLS is no different than Scottish, or Dutch football minus one important thing! We dont have a Celtic, nor Rangers, nor PSV, nor an Ajax! Clearly the person who wrote this article needs to get up and tur
America is a melting pot of so many and blatant whimsical musings comparing to others are truly a sign that the MLS does not have great leadership. Look no further than Houston and Salt Lake. Salt Lake is called Real Salt Lake, I hate to inform the brain trust but America once fought a war so as to not be ruled by a Royal family, along with a parliament! Go have a look what Real means in Spanish. As for Houston ... while Dynamo sounds neat and fun and it does roll of the tongue rather well, it represents if I recall correctly the Police teams of Eastern Europe ! In the end the MLS needs to be American and at the same time conforming to the standards that make Football the world over so beloved! At this point, the MLS is nothing more than a second rate desperate to be English soccer league not worthy of truly being called Football nor the beautiful game!
by FrancoS on January 26, 2008
It's good to know that there is a way to get paid for writing completely pointless articles. Tweelman? He is good for Preston North End. MLS? Same level as Championship. It has just a little bit more fashion because it's in the US. I've never read somebody saying MLS is at the same level of the first 5 European championships (unless you consider Lalas a serious manager). BTW, I like watching MLS. So?
by The Rooster on January 26, 2008
Americans hate to think they are not good at anything. The truth is, anybody in the Good Old USA!! that is any god at FOOTBALL now plays over here, so that just leaves the guys who are on par with Accrington Stanley, sorry AS, i couldnt think of any other town.
by erik on January 26, 2008
i think the only person (besides Lalas) who's ever imagined mls and the epl in the same train of thought- let alone imagined them on par with one another is the author of this article, and then, only to get people to read it... and it worked
by Dave on January 26, 2008
This is a bunch of rubbish. Americans don't think the MLS is in any way, shape, or form on par with the Premier League. What you do have correct is that football will never be popular in the US if the MLS is their equivalent to the premier league, because the competition is incredibly poor. And why knock on Taylor Twellman? He's one of the hardest, most dedicated footballers in the US -- I would hope to see him come to England. Finally, I am curious as to why you chose Twellman's bicycle kick as a point of contention. It wasn't a big deal here in the US... at all. It might have made a highlight reel on ESPN. It did not catapult a false sense of football elitism into the American psyche...
by james on January 27, 2008
i live in canada and theres no way you can say theres no love or coverage over here. when i went home to london for christmas they showed less than half the games they show over here, although they were on at a decent hour. there is no way you can compare the 2 leagues, mls went crazy and started hailing freddy adu and clint dempsey as the new zidanes, look how they turned out in proper leagues.
by JDO on January 27, 2008
Personally I'm amazed that the author of this piece and the Neanderthal mouth-breathers voicing their agreement had the required intellectual capacity to turn on their computers.
by Mike Fasnacht on February 27, 2008
I'm a month late to this forum, but found the article and discussion interesting. I think the author of this article misunderstands feelings about soccer in America. I don't know any Americans who consider MLS on par with the English Premier League or any other major European league. In fact, I suspect most Americans have never heard of the Premier League. David Beckham may be a household name, but that has more to do with his celebrity status (and Posh Spice) than with soccer. And Beckham is the only soccer player Americans have heard of. (As you can tell, I'm American) Americans rarely follow MLS, which is treated as a side-story in the sports pages of American newspapers. The real sports stories involve baseball, basketball, (American) football and, to a lesser extent, hockey. There's just no history of soccer in the United States, not like in England where people have passionately been watching the sport and following the same teams for generations. To suggest Americans consider MLS as equivalent to the EPL is therefore completely off base. Americans don't consider MLS much of anything, and they never consider English football. However, there are not insignificant, though relatively small when considering the overall population, numbers of Americans who watch the EPL or MLS. And I think an appreciation for soccer is growing in the United States. And that's the point. Appreciation is growing. And that's where MLS comes in. I never follow MLS and I don't know anyone who does. But it's been the most successful attempt to bring high level professional soccer to North America I can think of. And I think, now that I've read this article, I'll try to support it. Making soccer a popular sport and a viable business in the United States: That's a truly daunting task. And MLS has done a fairly good job so far. It's still a developing sport in the United States. MLS has lots of challenges: Trying to develop American talent; trying to attract top international talent (not washed up old players); trying to keep top American players from defecting to mid-level European clubs or even top level clubs; trying to turn a profit. But I think MLS offers the best chance for soccer to develop roots in the States. Shouldn't this be encouraged? If you truly like the sport of soccer, don't you think Americans should have the pleasure of having teams to follow? Don't you think America should, one day, have a top-tier soccer league? Maybe you don't. But I do. I'd never compare MLS to world-class soccer leagues, and I don't know anyone who would. But you can't blame MLS for taking an exciting play (I didn't see the Twellman kick) and using it to promote itself and the sport of soccer in the US. This is a good thing. If MLS is at the same level as the Football League Championship, as some people on this discussion have suggested, then I'm pleased. That means Americans are playing a high level of soccer, and it means MLS has come a LONG way since its first year of play in 1996. Is it as good as the Premier League? No. Is it getting better? I think so, and hopefully it continues to get better. I suspect MLS is on par with some of Europe's lesser leagues, maybe even some of its mid-level leagues. Good. If Americans get excited about soccer and MLS, that should be encouraged. Hopefully the sport will grow. Hopefully the level of play, which is already pretty good, becomes great. In a few decades our teams will be relegating Arsenal and Chelsea to the scrap heap. (That last part was a joke; don't get your knickers in a knot.)
by Philip Cosby on May 16, 2008
What American in his right mind would think American soccer (MLS) is on par with the English Premier League? It has always amazed me how Europeans and more specifically Brits are so fixated on belittling a league that's clearly sub-par. The reason: Europeans have a complex problem with Americans, and have always felt subordinate to us. Do Americans fixate on European sports? I would have to say no. I have never heard an American say how crappy English football (American version) is, and how it could never match up to the NFL. I have never seen articles about European basketball leagues being "amature" compared to the NBA. And I have never heard American pundits express their opinion exclaiming American baseball is bar none over Europe and the rest of the world. We don't have to tell Europe how lousy they are in sports. We already know this.
by Felipe Oliveira on May 18, 2008