All clubs have injuries and bad decisions that go against them. Can't use them to claim that Everton should be higher up the league. And Moyes had little to do with the development of Rooney as a player, other than giving him his first team debut. Everyone in youth football knew about Rooney's staggering potential before Moyes even moved to Goodison. And Rooney's sale went a long way towards making Moyes' modest transfer outlay look so impressive. Lastly, there can surely be few more pompous, inaccurate, sentimental and self aggrandizing notions than Everton's claim to be "the people's club". Having said all that, there can be no doubt that Moyes has done an excellent job overall.

One further point. You claim to be "convinced that, given some serious backing financially, Moyes could be on the verge of creating a dynasty at Everton in the same way Sir Alex (his mentor) has at Manchester United". All very well but, though we all know that Moyes has an eye for a bargain, we do not yet know that he can spend big money wisely or that he can get the best out of big money signings. Many a good manager of lesser players has foundered before when given big money to spend on better players.

I love and Hate Moyes. One the one hand he is a great manager, gets rid of most of the deadwood, brings in top young players, finds great talent and has got us into Europ twice so far. On his bad side, he says we are short of numbers and sells players without replacing them (McFadden, De Silva etc), think he sometimes takes to long in the transfer market and allows other people to steal our players, his tactics are not the best for attacking or when we are lacking something waits until 80th minute before being a sub on and plays 4-5-1 at home to a relation battling team etc. I think one of the main problems Moyes has is th elack of money, if we have any intention of progressing as a club then we need to give him top finanical backing or find investers and not just pretend that we are looking. If we don't make the top 6 this season (Not top 4) then it will be all down to the board and Moyes. The board for not providing bigger money and Moyes for sellin gplayers without getting in replacements first

All clubs do have bad decisions against them but none as many as Everton have had this year and it was mentioned to prove that if Everton had had the decisions that seem to go the way of certain other clubs instead of having to deal with the other extreme there good position could be a lot better.. Moyes had plenty to do with the development of Rooney, hwo anyone can claim a man who tutored a player for some 2 years in the first team and gave him his start in the game had no influence is a bit silly. The retrun of Rooney in my estimates are actually the original £10m paid by Man u and not the sestimated £26m they may get once all the bills are in, so there is a return but not as much as you'd think. Evertons calim to be the poeple club is not the sole right of Evertonains alone, it was first said by an Ex liverpool Captain and manager Graemme Souness, his actaul words were "Everywhere you turn in Liverpool you meet an Evertonian". I think moyes just adapted it, and I live here and it seems pretty a

[quote]One further point. You claim to be "convinced that, given some serious backing financially, Moyes could be on the verge of creating a dynasty at Everton in the same way Sir Alex (his mentor) has at Manchester United". All very well but, though we all know that Moyes has an eye for a bargain, we do not yet know that he can spend big money wisely or that he can get the best out of big money signings. Many a good manager of lesser players has foundered before when given big money to spend on better players.[/quote] Jim I think the Yaks doing OK, Moyes have never had big money to spend and I agree it will be a pointer but I look to what hes done with Beattie and AJ, he has been loyal( all players want that) but when the time has come hes made his decsion, as with beattie and got rid, all fans want that.

The acid test for Moyes will come when the Board,and some fans,demand more than finishing 5th,6th,7th(or 4th) and expect silverware or finishing consistently in the CL slots. Can Moyes be the manager for the big-times? Many have tried and failed spending fortunes along the way (Keegan !!).Even Chelsea have blown a fortune on mis-fits (Veron, Shenchenko )but they can afford to. I just wonder whether Moyes will be remembered as the manager who restored order ,avoided the drop and moved the club into the top half challenging for Europe before another guy is installed to make the final step (like Spurs did with Jol and Chelsea with Ranieri- both decent managers). Let's hope the Board do the right thing and do not expect too much.

Lets face facts, Moyes and Everton both SUCK BIG TIME. Your team is crap, your manager is crap, your board is crap and your fans are crap. End OF. Even Manny Fanny didn't want to join you. Yaka wanted to stay away as long as possible so he stayed away, Van the Man would rather get pissed to forget he joined a crap club and Mcfadden would rather join Birmingham than stay at your piss poor club. Lets face it, your team is going no where and come end of season will be mid table and out of the Uefa cup. Unlike us! We have won 17 League titles, have you....NO. 9 FA Cups, have you....NO. Euro Cups many times have you....NO, just once. Have the best players around, have you....NO. The on eand only good player you had Rooney, hated you so much he would rather play for Man U, it was so funny. We just need to the Prem League to relise that Everton are so bad and kick them out of the league and put them where they belong in the Championship or even better for Everton to go bankrupt and close down for good.

All Hail Liverpool, and if you fans are lucky maybe we can offer some of you sad muppets some shelter and you can support a REAL TEAM, The REAL DEAL, LIVERPOOL. We the greatest

Sorry RedHotReds, but I've got a lot of great RS friends and not even they are deluded enough to claim they've got "the best players around"!!! Hilarious. Did give me a great chuckle. Nearly followed through in glee. Best players around where? Maybe within the immediate vicinity of Anfield. With your one-sided outlook and poor English, I can't help but conject...are you a young member of the Benitaz clan?

[quote]Sorry RedHotReds, but I've got a lot of great RS friends and not even they are deluded enough to claim they've got "the best players around"!!! Hilarious. Did give me a great chuckle. Nearly followed through in glee. Best players around where? Maybe within the immediate vicinity of Anfield. With your one-sided outlook and poor English, I can't help but conject...are you a young member of the Benitaz clan?[/quote] If my English is so bad, you couldn't even spell our managers name you pleb. As for best players around, Crouch, babel, Gerrard, carrie, Torrie, Harry K etc, so don't start getting jealous, like I said your welcome to support us. You Muppet

absolutely typical of sad reds, always looking for blue forum comments to try and undermine, always ranting on with the interlect of a 6 year old. while we do extreemly well on little money, you are below us having spent £155 million more than us in 5 years. if you even bother to respond it will prove what a sad bitter misled pond life you are.. nuff said

and finally lets remember that so far we havent killed anyone.. but you dont want to open that discussion do you???

Good article, and I say that as a Liverpool fan. O must say RedHotReds (a gay pornstar name!?)is something of an embarrassment isn't he. Respect where it is due, Everton deserve the respect of all Merseyside people for the great job Moyes has done and the support that Evertonians give through thick and thin. Plastic or norwegian types like redhotred will never understand. What a sad case to be posting on this site in such a childish way anyway. I thought I'd drop in as I am a 'merseyside united' type. I hope Everton win the UEFA cup this year...but obviuously I hope we reds take fourth! (Heaven forbid the financial ramifications if Rafa's massive spending fails again.)

[quote]Lets face facts, Moyes and Everton both SUCK BIG TIME. Your team is crap, your manager is crap, your board is crap and your fans are crap. End OF. Even Manny Fanny didn't want to join you. Yaka wanted to stay away as long as possible so he stayed away, Van the Man would rather get pissed to forget he joined a crap club and Mcfadden would rather join Birmingham than stay at your piss poor club. Lets face it, your team is going no where and come end of season will be mid table and out of the Uefa cup. Unlike us! We have won 17 League titles, have you....NO. 9 FA Cups, have you....NO. Euro Cups many times have you....NO, just once. Have the best players around, have you....NO. The on eand only good player you had Rooney, hated you so much he would rather play for Man U, it was so funny. We just need to the Prem League to relise that Everton are so bad and kick them out of the league and put them where they belong in the Championship or even better for Everton to go bankrupt and close down for

Everton "SUCK!"? What kind of "scouser" would post that? No doubt RedHotReds is not from Liverpool or maybe even England for that matter. I as an Evertonian have no problems with Liverpools achievements. I'm from the same city and I wish Liverpool FC all the best. But they have won 18 league titles NOT 17 you idiot. As for Everton Moyes is the best thing to happen to Everton since Howard Kendhall. And the quote was "Everton are the People's Club" not "The people of Merseyside are Evertonians".

Suzanne, you really are a sad little bitch aren't you, bringing up things like that. Jealous because Liverpool are great and Everton aren't. I find it intresting that Everton are still around, but it won't be for long. Although I do like taking 6 points off you every year. So go blow me

Bob Wilferton thanks for the decent reply. I agree mate Moyes deserves all the respect he gets and I think last night proved me right again TBH. As for "redkneckreds" I see these types every fortnight getting of the train at Lime st with there red and white wigs on and loads of badges, they think to become a fully fledged kopite and be accepted in the cabbage pub as one of them they have to spew the bile at Everton, what they dont understand is that the real scouse reds and blues like Bob Wilferton know the score and repsect is given were it is due.

So are you all willing to finally bow down to me and accept that Liverpool are the best?

So are you all willing to finally bow down to me and accept that Liverpool are the best?

I don't agree with everything in the article. Moyes has made his mistakes in the transfer market as all managers do. Koldrup and Van der Meyde spring to mind. He has also spent good money at times like AJ and Yakubu so we can't claim complete povety and obviously the net expenditure is helped by the Rooney money. Having said all of that I am a Moyes fan and believe that he has done fantasic for us. It's a sign to all clubs at what can be achieved by sticking by a manager who could easily have been sacked at the end of 2003/04 based on our league placing that year!!

Disillusioned? Liverpool are facing a mini crisis at the moment and have not been the best club in England for many years. Sorry but you have had to bow down to Man U, that team you love so much and even by those divs in London. When are you going to realise that Everton and Liverpool have a friendly reivarly that starts and stops with banter. Yes banter thats when you have a laugh and a drink and get on with your life with out getting personal, rude and having to swear because you can't think of anything else to say. It has been common for the term 'bitter blue' to be used around Liverpool but i think the tide may be slowly turning becuase Liverpool fans like you can't take it when Everton do well. What quality players like Haryy Can't get a game Kewell, and Peter 'every liverpool fan thinks i am crap' Crouch. You have two possibly three quality players at best. Wake up and smelly the coffee before you get burnt! Whats the weather like on the continent anyway?

this is a good article.. i dont understand why the shite are commenting...everyone knows they know nought about football anyway! get loose and drop out

So are you all willing to finally bow down to me and accept that Liverpool are the best?

I love you long time. You tell these everton boys they no good.

Can I have rice with that please?

Firstly, Moyes' biggest signing has been £11.25 Million on Yakubu....the second highest scorer of the last 5 years of Premier League football whose career had stagnated at Middlesbrough....and the way he's turned Yakubu around proves that he CAN and DOES get the best out of the big players too. Secondly, you say "All clubs have injuries and bad decisions that go against" - please show me one club that has 5 strikers and 4 of them injured at once. And while you're at it, show me ONE Liverpool game where a bad refeering decision has cost them a single point....or one Everton game where a bad refeering decision has given them a single point. Can you? I doubt it very much!