Win something, Everton - then you'll earn respect

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David Moyes: He's won nothing yet (Gettyimages.com)

The call from a Sportingo writer for Liverpool fans to give their Merseyside neighbours more credit for their achievements this season brought no sympathy whatsoever from at least one Reds supporter.

'Liverpool don’t respect Everton’s history because it is a drop in the ocean compared to their own - and they don’t respect Everton’s current success because it is non-existent'

Terry Scanlon wrote an article on Sportingo recently asking “Why Can’t Liverpool fans respect Everton’s top-four aspirations?” I wonder if he doesn’t already know the answer. Terry’s question is naïve, akin to asking: “Why can’t cats and dogs just be friends.”

Everton and Liverpool are two sides of the same coin, fierce local rivals – but in the '90s and into this decade, too, the Toffees have represented a pitiful challenge to the boys across Stanley Park. You can only get so far through hard graft, but Everton already know this – witness the last time they ‘hit the jackpot’ and finished fourth, crashing out to Villarreal and then leaping out of the UEFA Cup, too.

And whilst the Everton are still ahead in the league table, it is only by a hair’s breadth. They are three points in front but Liverpool have a game in hand. And David Moyes's men still have to face Liverpool at Anfield; they call this counting your chickens before they’ve hatched Evertonians.

Terry rails against Liverpool fans not respecting Everton’s current success, but my answer is, what success? Success is winning something, a cup, a league, or in Everton’s case winning the right to play in a Champions League qualifier. Liverpool don’t respect Everton’s history because it is a drop in the ocean compared to their own - and they don’t respect Everton’s current success because it is non-existent. Ask Jimmy Page why he doesn’t respect Take That and you’ll get the same answer.

Evertonians have been eager to point to the supposed avalanche of unfair decisions going against their side but this is an excuse that can be raised by almost any team – just look at the daylight robbery Chelsea got away with at Anfield earlier this season.

Terry wants the red half of the city to “be magnanimous”, and “hold their hands up” and respect Everton’s success. But how can they if they don’t regard fourth place as a success themselves? Liverpool fans will regard fourth place in the league as a consolation prize (admittedly better than the unmitigated disaster that not finishing in the Champions League places would be). And to heap praise on their rivals for doing this is never going to happen.

Win the league, a European trophy, or something tangible like that and the Red half will – grudgingly – praise the Blues. Everton fans shouldn’t force Liverpool supporters to stoop to their levels of perceived success.

Toffees supporters, pride comes before the fall…

Is Joe right? Have Everton earned the right to respect from Liverpool fans? Post your comments below or contribute an article of your own to Sportingo.
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Duncan Disorderly (17/02/2008 14:23)
I refer the author to the 'justice league' at www.rightresult.net 12 points gap even allowing for Chelsea's daylight robbery at Anfield. That's how much better Everton have been than Liverpool this season, if only the referees were competent.
Kenny Harper (17/02/2008 14:37)
Not a very well constructed article in my opnion, no facts just pure bile and bitterness. Your claim that the only people who deserve your respect are those that win things? They are very high standards and ones that as it stands your own team will be unable to fulfill this season, I take it you'll have no respect for your team come may then? You sound very bitter and if i were you i would take your own advcie, worry about whats happening at your lcub rather than what a few kirkby heads like us are saying. Anyone for a Barnsley chop for sunday lunch?
David Jones (17/02/2008 14:56)
Another bitter deluded red clinging on to the past in order to try and justify Liverpool's superiority complex. I would also point out to this 'Sky fan' that Everton's "drop in the ocean" history includes having won the league on Liverpool's own ground, Anfield, before the second team on Merseyside were even formed. Like we always say though "and if, you know, you're history...."!! If Everton aren't a club worthy of any respect from Anfield then I have to chuckle at what Kopites expect the attitude towards them from Old Trafford, Emirates and Stamford Bridge to be!!?? The relative gulf between those sides and Liverpool makes the one between Liverpool and Everton appear hairline at best. Long live Rafa and The Yanks, massive club, best fans in the world, next year will be your year, Definitely!! Honest.
Matt Kearsley (17/02/2008 15:13)
I listened this morning to a radio station, where another ex red actually suggested that now the domestic season is over for Liverpool, they have a chance to invest in the squad, and make a serious title challenge next season. I mean, does the author of the piece not find that may well be the problem in acknowledging their shortcomings rather than the fans of the blue side of the city? all that has happened over the last decade is investment and title challenges, and that is why, it is not just us evertonians laughing at your club this morning? I'll take that Barnsley chop for lunch cheers Kenny.
Stuart Mitchell (17/02/2008 15:28)
The reds are struggling badly for form, and there expensively assembled squad looks very very average, they have taken on massive ammount of debt. Quite simply, if Liverpool do not finish 4th, they cannot afford to repay their loans, no money will be available to improve the team. Therefore they will endure a lower league finish the following season, yet again not in the champions league and heading towards adminstration and the lower leagues. Liverpool are truly in a mess.
Jon Gray (17/02/2008 16:54)
I honestly, hand on heart agree with the sentiments of the author. If we do win siomething, then we will earn respect. Our achievements thus far don't amount to much. They are merely steps towards a greater goal. I did have to laugh though at 'Win the league, a European trophy, or something tangible like that and the Red half will – grudgingly – praise the Blues'. Liverpool don't have the right to amount any of their success they have had to winning the league. 19years, just remeber that Joe. Besides if we won the the league we wouldn't get respect from Liverpool fans, more likely admissions that you were Everton fans all along. I'm an Evetonian, always have and always will be. Respect is earnt from people who know for people who matter. If we do win something we'll get respect from those who mattera helluva lot more than LFC.
Thomas (17/02/2008 17:01)
They are crap now we are good I could careless if they respect us or not.
Thomas Morris (17/02/2008 17:30)
PLEASE KEEP THE FAT SPANISH WAITER COZ USE R FUCKIN SHIT WITH HIM
Steve Reilly (17/02/2008 17:32)
You started the article with the heading of a previous article 'Why can't Liverpool fans respect Everton's top four aspirations?' then go on to verbally bash Everton's lack of success for the remainder of the article. This article was no more than you seizing an opportunity to try and bad mouth Everton once more, when even the most idiotic liverpool fans must be able to see and appreciate Everton's change over the past few years. When moysie took us over we were a side whose aspirations were to finish in the top half of the table if we pulled a good season together, but realistically, we were ready for a relegation scrap. On the contrast Liverpool have been in this 'Big Four' for years, yet it seems that the other 3 of this big four take turns winning the league with Liverpool finishing 3rd or 4th each season. To be fair kudos on the champions league the last few years, liverpool have been resilient and stuck it out through to the final several times against arguably better opposition. The major factor here though is that moyes has taken his time to build a squad who is able to challenge for a top four spot, and to go from a relegation side to a side challenging for 4th and getting to the semis of the carling cup and doing well in the uefa cup is nothing short of miraculous. Now take a step back and look at liverpool as a team, champions league success to one side, can you say that any type of transformation close to that of Everton's has occurred? I think not
p k (17/02/2008 17:38)
a drop in th ocean ..... pride before the fall .... mate, you got wierd pride after the fall. coyb
james perry (17/02/2008 18:55)
benitez out o'neil in.we need a manager that wont rotate a team.a solid team week in week out that understands eachothers playing habits will end up in a higher position than what we always end up in
AndrewUnited (18/02/2008 00:31)
Hmm, though im a united supporter I dont get your point there my friend. Liverpool are the club in England with the biggest history. 19 leagues, 5 European cups, 7 FA cups and more.. Chelsea: 3 leagues, 0 European titles, 5 FA cups. doesnt exactly compare..
Max Scragg (18/02/2008 01:32)
Barnsley Barnsley Barnsley Someones bitter cause there being shown up by a 'small team'
john peters (18/02/2008 03:32)
A club that asks for respect - thats pretty pathetic - more so when you have done or won nothing. Hell, even Borough have won a carling cup a few years back - did we hear them asking the big 4 to take notice - did we hell. EFC and THFC fans are laughable - always think they deserve praise when their city rivals are out winning the big prizes. It wouldn't surprise me if EFC finished in bottom half next season.
Stupid Deluded Redshite (18/02/2008 08:57)
Let's all give some respect to Barnsley first. They just beat the hell out of us.
Rafa Beneathus (18/02/2008 08:59)
Rafa Must Stay. He has been doing a terrific job.
People's Club (18/02/2008 09:33)
Joe Clash is the same guy who previously wrote an article to bad mouth Everton, calling them "boring" after they had leap frogged Liverpool into 4th place. http://www.sportingo.com/football/a6945_boring-everton-really-best
KarlosTheBlue (18/02/2008 10:02)
We dont care what the Red Shite say....what the f**k do we care.........??? COYB
Iberian Blue (18/02/2008 11:37)
Ok, so I'm an Everton fan and bound to be a little one-sided in my view. However, I don't think it's a case of "giving due respect" etc. Simply a matter of being objective. Yes, EFC have been poor for a couple of decades. Yes, we've been in LFC's shadow. Let's be realistic Blues, if I'd been offered to swap every LFC player up until 5 years ago, I'd have done it sraight away - their team/squad was far superior. However, being as objective as I can, I'd only really take Agger, Finnan, Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres now. The rest are not really any better than we have. And that marks a massive improvement in the Everton team and squad. Hence the reason for our improved positions and ambitions. You know, I couldn't give two hoots about LFC, their fans and whether they respect us. I'm very proud to be Evertonian and - for the first time in a long time - can see a genuine opportunity to challenge for trophies coming in the next few years if our steady improvement continues. That's enough.
Yo Momma (18/02/2008 14:12)
He would be better off writing Thomas The Tank engine stories for that other wan*er Ringo Starr
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