It's time Spurs, Everton and Newcastle stopped squabbling and started winning trophies

Did not Spurs win a Trophy this season? and at least one trophy in each decade? Unlike that massive club up north somewhere..When they won something most of their fans were still in my fathers balls i think.

actually quite liked the article (suprising as i dont like many on this site). its also a valid point... but it wont stop the kids arguing on caught offside!

........not a single arguement for the Barcodes to be a big club. No history, no class. And for the ones who want to talk about Sunday's result, this season is just preseason for us. The biggest problem relating to the article is when spurs and everton fans try and compare themselves to ars*nal and liverpool. that's when they start to sound like a joke!!!

Everton are NOT the most successful team ever, they merely have the most points overall. Success is winning trophies and championships. If Arsenal finsih second, but win more games than Man Utd, but Utd finish higher because they have draw more and lost less does that make Arsenal the more successful team? No I dont think so, success isnt about winning games it is about winning silverware, what a load of crap from another blue nosed scouser who is tired of being second rater to Liverpool

Squabble? When?

The best article ever on here by some distance. A very welcome suprise to click on the news now with the familar sense of dread a low expectations to find another ill-informed, blinkered, desperatly-to-trying-to-be inflamatory rambling and finding a balance, well realised piece of writing. As a Spurs fan and 1 often embarassed by some of the rubbish our fans come out with I think it comes from insecurity about your team when they've not been successful and you expect them to be. Far easier to cover it up with ego and opposition fan-baiting than accept your team has under-achieved. I've a soft spot for Everton as a club but think they're current team and manager are a little overrated but am always happy to see them do well. As for Newcastle I find their fans attitude and inflated sense of grandeur quite amusing but logic plays little part in supporting a football team whilst believing your team to be intrinsically superior to very other is something we all have deep down, regardless of the facts. The only exception I have to Newcastle fans is their blinkered comments often come across as classless and Sunday's match was a good example. Whilst they thoroughly deserved to win no one could question the large part Spurs ineptitude and apathy played in the result being what it was, to blindly talk up your team's result whilst paying no attention to how poor or committed your opposition is pretty silly and is why Newcastle fans often end up with egg on their face. Good luck to them though, I wouldn't begrudge them success.

Big teams are in the eye of the beholder. But although I was born to hate them (along with the Mackems and Manure) Spurs are and always have been biggest team in London. Arsenal and Chelsea may have a better recent History, but Spurs still generate a Big Club persona.

In addition to arsenal never having been relegated from the top flight, they have also never been promoted to it.

Its all about trophies and no one can compare to Man Utd and Liverpool, Arsenal have won only 5 more trophies than Tottenham since the war, thats less than one a decade! Along with the fact that most were in the last 10 years makes it pretty bad reading. Arsenal also have no history, this is their Golden era now and they still can't win the title or anything in europe let alone retain either!

I wouldn't argue with anyone who said Everton are a bigger club with Spurs, I would even add that both those teams are a bigger than Chelsea.

In all fairness Chelsea are only there due to obvious Russian Mafia which is on its own a reason for a diplomatic crisis in betwen the UK and Russia. Everton and Spurs are by far bigger clubs than Chelsea anytime with their history to start with and lets not forget Newcastle still boasts more than a million fans ,making them one of the best 5 supported clubs in the country alongside Liverpool, Manyoo, Arsenal and Tottenham according to Financial Times premiership fans survey and even though they never saw a trophy since the old king was alive , even they are a bigger club than Chelsea. Sometimes it is not about winning trophies ,it is about passion and you have to give credit to Everton,Tottenham and Newcastle there for sticking with their clubs despite massive under achievement,disappointments and false dawns.

i think this is a good article, good points raised. I am a spurs fan and see us as a big club becasue of the fan base that we have and the history that is there. for all their millions of pounds and expensive players chelsea are still not the big club they want to be, granted they have won the premier league twice very recently but for all thier sucess they still struggle to sell out games and now have a ground that is becmong similar to the highbury library back in the day where the atmosphere is fairly dull at the best of times. i personally see man utd as the biggest club in the world, and if they keep going the way they are then they are only going to get bigger.

Quite liked the article, I do agree that there really is no way to decide what a big club is, or more, there are too many different ways to decide, and each clubs respective fan base picks one that would elevate their club above all others. To use the examples you have Given... Newcastle are a big club because they sell out games, have a lot of fans and have more fans at their ground to see athe unveiling of a player, than chelsea do to watch a champions league match. Spurs are a big club with a very rich and famous history, hold a lot of records and firsts for clubs within Britain and created a type of attacking football which clubs to this day (including us) still try to emulate. Everton are big for the same historical reasons Chelsea are a big club because they are currently winning trophies, they currently have a shed load of cahs to spend and play in the champions league every year and are a feared side. They have no history, but they are a big club at the moment All these arguments are valid, and all these arguments are used every day by the fans of the respective clubs, they are also laughed at by the opposing fans as being a ridiculous way of deciding a big club, although the shoe being on the other foot, that very same supporter would be using the very same 'big club' logic they would have been ridiculing. I think the question needs to be is a big club a big club because it is currently successful or becuase it has been successful. Because it has a large fan base, or a large trophy cabinet. There is no set way of deciding so it is an unwiunnable argument for anyone and everyone. However one thing is fact... Spurs are by far the biggest club on the planet bar none... so ner ner ner ner ner!!!! Ha

Listen up Everton Spurs and Newcastle ARE SMALL CLUBS nobody outside your street knows your name!!! Small teams GOT iT!! SMALL never won much even collectively so stop your CHILDISH claims of GRANDUER you bunch of MINNOWS!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you DanMac, basically it's all a matter of perspective from the loyal aside. For a topic like this all bias has to be put aside. There is no denying that Man Utd and Liverpool have had the lions share in terms of dominance over the decades. Arsenal, Everton and Tottenham have also won a boatlaod of trophies. But one consistent thing I have noticed with Spurs over the last few decades, is that they always attract world class flair players like Greaves,Hoddle,Ardiles,Waddle,Gazza,Lineker, Klinsman ,Ginola, Berbatov. Surely this is one angle of determining big clubs, and few teams can boast that.

Liverpool 40 trophies Man United 33 Arsenal 27 Villa 20 Tottenham 17 Everton 15 WHoever brings up[ West Ham knows nothing about football. They aren't even one of Englands 20 mostr successful clubs. Newcastle are a joke too. Haven't won a recognised trophy since the 1950s and haven't won the top flight in over 80 years. They are not any bigger than Sunderland(who incidently, have actually won more top flight titles than their so called bigger rivals) Anyone who says Tottenahm and Everton aren't big clubs is talking utter tripe. They have 32 major trophies between them for christ sake!!!!

Cliffy Rod - Most clubs can come up with a list like that mate. I mean three of the people in your list played for newcastle aswell and we can also name keegan, beardsley, owen, milburn, mcdonald, kluivert etc. But other clubs can name these aswell. Every club has had quality players in the past.

There is no way this topic can be proven. No toon fan is gonna say spurs are bigger and no spurs fan will say we are bigger. Its a pointless argument.

For a team that's one 10 domestic honours (4 League Championships, 6 FA Cup titles) 1 European honour (1969 Fairs Cup - let's ignore the InterToto rubbish) Newcastle seem to be getting a lot of abuse. They have some interesting records: the only team in the world to average 50,000+ attendances in both the top flight and second flight of football, 7th best average attendances in the English leagues (behind Man U, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton, in that order). They have finished as the English league's best supported team 10 times - as have Chelsea. Only Man U, Everton and Arsenal have bettered that) and were the first club to count 1 million through the turnstiles. Their fans have been amongst the biggest influences in spreading football around the world. They are currently the 5th richest club in the premiership, despite a not particularly stellar few seasons. I'm not saying that they are the biggest club, but in my eyes they are the best (Awww) and deserve respect for their considerable history.

Stupid and pointless article from these muppets at sportingo,whilst they criticise fans for squabbling here they perpetuate it again with tepid journalism.I as a Spurs fan do not care who is bigger,as it is subjective and more importantly all clubs mentioned are fine football clubs with great tradition and support.So instead of trying to impress with your flowery writing,try and be imaginative and come up with a subject that is worthwhile sportingo,is that a plausible feat from you lot?...