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The FA Cup Final: Are Cardiff singing from a different hymn sheet?
For the Bluebirds to have reached the Cup Final is an incredible achievement - and they will fancy their chances against Portsmouth. But recent events threaten to turn the fairytale sour.
by Claire Bee on 02 May 2008
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On May 17 I'll be watching the FA Cup final - and I'll be hoping for a Cardiff win. Actually, I'll be hoping Robbie Fowler is fit enough to play some part and that he scores the winner. It is that scenario which means I'll be a temporary Bluebird for one day only.
Since they've qualified for the final, though, I've become increasingly annoyed at the way that they wish to be considered Welsh when it is to their advantage, while expecting to be treated as English when that is in their favour. It seems grossly unfair that their geographic position can be utilised in such a manner.
First, there was the little matter of the Welsh national anthem - which the FA has agreed to play prior to kick-off. Unless my memory is failing me, traditionally God Save The Queen is played because it is the national anthem of Great Britain - which includes Wales just as much as it includes England.
I don't recall any team demanding that an English anthem is played in their honour, so why should it be different for Cardiff? Perhaps in the future, teams from London making it to a cup final might like "Doing the Lambeth Walk" played at Wembley , or maybe "Ferry Across The Mersey" when Liverpool or Everton are involved. Newcastle could have "Fog On The Tyne", though please not with Gascoigne singing!
Then, there is European qualification. The rules were quite plainly set out before the start of this and every previous season - the FA's allocation of European places would go to their members, thus disbarring the Welsh teams from qualification via their competitions. The FAW have their own competitions offering a route into Europe for their members which Cardiff have competed in and benefited from in the past, and now choose not to enter.
Of course, nobody expected any of the Welsh teams to be in a position to qualify for Europe but, now that they are, the FA have decided - under pressure - to change the rule should Cardiff win.
This is unfair to both the FAW, who are trying to establish the value of their own leagues and cups, and the English team that will miss out due to this rule change.
I agree that it would be a little unfair to see Cardiff blocked from competing in Europe should they win, but there was another route open to the FA and UEFA and one that has recent precedent.
In 2005 it seemed harsh to prevent Liverpool competing in the Champions League as reigning champions but they had not qualified via their league position. On that occasion the FA refused to bend the rules, forcing UEFA to make a wildcard slot available to them after much debate and brinkmanship. A wildcard entry for Cardiff would have been a much more appropriate course of action from the authorities.
So they want to be treated as WELSH when it comes to the anthems, and ENGLISH when it comes to Europe. Finally, to rub salt in the wounds, they are decidedly WELSH when it comes to disciplinary matters.
On Saturday their captain Darren Purse was sent off for a tackle on Burnley's Andy Cole. The resulting three-game suspension would have meant missing the FA Cup final, but on appeal the red card was overturned. Fair enough - until you consider that, as a Welsh club, they appealed to the FAW - of which they are members - and NOT the FA.
Nobody wants to see key players missing from a final - and Purse was understandably delighted with the decision. In a statement he said he felt it was correct as "there was no malicious intent". Which is great, except the presence or absence of malicious intent is completely irrelevant.
The laws of the game don't mention the words "intent" or indeed "malicious" once and, while I accept he was just over-eager in trying to recover a ball he had miscontrolled and certainly not trying to injure Cole, the end result was a horrific challenge that was high, late and studs-first. It was justifiably judged to be serious foul play by the referee and therefore he correctly sent him off.
Contentious decisions are nothing new in football, but at least they are all made by the same body - or so I thought. It might be unfair to suggest that the FAW decided to take a sympathetic approach as it involved the club captain of one of their members ahead of an unexpected cup final, but had a Portsmouth player found himself in the same boat he would not have had it reviewed by the same panel, thus raising questions about the consistency of decision-making.
Hopefully the final will be a magical day for the supporters of both teams involved and a great match for neutrals to watch. But afterwards the authorities need to look at the rules in place and the way that the Welsh teams are integrated into English competitions to ensure the fair and equal application of them for all.
It seems clear that any team competing in an English competition needs to be completely under the jurisdiction of the FA, meaning they are subject to both its disciplinary sanctions and the benefits of European qualification that would offer.
Comments (8)
by Sam Barclay on May 02, 2008
Aside from the matter of Purses' red card, these are not the facts. You're simply giving a popularist point of view on everything you say with little based on the truth. I think you'll find that that Cardiff do not have any alternative route into Europe and CANNOT play in the FAW competitions. The only way they could enter an FAW cup competition and qualify for Europe would be by resigning from the Football League and playing in the Welsh League. That isn't likely to happen is it? With regard the anthem, I think you'll find that: a) most Cardiff City fans DON'T want the Welsh national anthem played at Wembley and feel that this matter has been hijacked by politicians for their own ends. Cardiff fans certainly don't see this as the Wales v England match that the media are promoting. b) English teams would possibly want their own anthem played --- but they haven't got one!. c) There is a precedent: the Welsh national anthem was played at Wembley the last time Cardiff were in the final. On the other hand, I agree regarding Purse and the FAW. But it isn't that much of a big deal anyway as he isn't likely to feature at the cup final. He isn't in the Cardiff first team.
by Jim Cardiff on May 02, 2008
This article is fairer and more mature than many I have read on the issue, but there's still a couple of points I'd like to point out; Firstly, it's not the case that Cardiff City have demanded anything. Unless proof exists otherwise, then my understanding is that Cardiff have not requested any anthem of any sort. Being in the final for the first time in 81 years isnt a time to start throwing our weight around! Secondly, I'm glad you agree that it would be unfair, should Cardiff win for the team to be denied entry into Europe. It would patently be unfair. Cardiff play in the English leagues, yet are a Welsh club, the same as Derry city (from Londonderry in N.Ireland) represented the Eircom league in europe last year. It's not so much representing a nation as representing a league. It's an anomoly that Cardiff play n the football league, I grant you, but one based on history, and one that shouldn't be changed at the whim of some european bureaucrat (It is Uefa that insisted on wales having it's own league) Finally, I agree that it is a total anomoly that Cardiff have disciplinary matters dealt with by the FAW. However, it is not the case that the club benefit in any way from the matter. On this occasion yes, but if anything the FAW have been harsh on Cardiff in these matters. Hopefully you'll acknowledge that while Cardiff are Welsh and proud, we are equally proud to play in the football league, and represent the Championship in the final. Neither Football, history nor politics are a black and white issue, and this final demonstrates this. Hopefully people will recognise us as a 'unique' club, but at the same time just an every day football team who has supporters who are looking forward to the big day the same as every other. Oh, and Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau was played in 1927, and besides anything else it's a lovely tune! Thanks
by William Sloper-Evans on May 02, 2008
I would go further and say that Purse was unlucky to be sent off. It was a foul but football is fast becoming a non contact sport. Andy Cole looked like he made the most of it but he did get a nasty gash from the challenge so fair enough. For me, far worse is someone like Drogba who cheats. Why doesn't he get a red card for cheating? At least Purse is an old fashioned English footballer. Did I say English? Ooops. How many English players are in the Cardiff team. I bet there are more than in any of the top Premiership sides. In which case, why are me moaning about Cardiff so much. Surely they are more English than Chelsea, Man U etc. Thinking about it, this is ridiculous!
by Gerry H on May 02, 2008
Purse was admittedly lucky to get away with his red card - but it was totally out of character for the FAW to reprieve him. They normally love to slap Cardiff down - perhaps because they don’t play in their own Mickey Mouse league, which is why the Bluebirds are not allowed to represent Wales in Europe. As for Land of My Fathers, I bet loads of non-Welsh people would much rather hear a REAL anthem before the Final than that God Save the Queen dirge we are all lumbered with. Why England doesn’t adopt Land of Hope and Glory as its anthem, I’ll never know.
by pete J on May 10, 2008
I hate to be pedantic, but the laws of the game DO include the word "intent" in them - although admitidly in a different place (in regards to attempting to kick/punch/ another player - and missing, where there is clearly the intent...) but other than that, i completly agree. sure, cardiff DESERVE to play in the UEFA cup if they do beat pompey - but the rules say they cant, so why are they being changed? a wilcard would be more aporepriate. the sending off was a clear sending off. no questions asked, not by the player, manager, fans (well, not at the time anyway) The national anthemn thing is absurd. if they want it or not, i doubt it will get a good reception.
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by bob curran on May 16, 2008
In Gavin youmhave the hardest working class midfielder in English football, he has suffered major downs at Dundee and Rangers, but we the Dundee fans love him and will cheer almightly if Gav leads out the bluebirds on Saturday
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I will feel so proud if Gav leads out Cardiff on Saturday. Our fans(Dundee) have never been less behind you.Cummon Gav show us the real talent instead of the sublime glimpes we often get!!!!!
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