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Why Rangers crashed out of Europe so quickly - the Bear facts and the search for scapegoats
by Alexander Anderson on 08 August 2008
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Comments (16) by Iain on August 08, 2008 It's well written but I don't agree with most of it. If you want to defend David Murray in terms of a wider-thinking, long-term plan, where is the scouting network and the youth academy? We have neither. If he wanted to move the club forward then this is the best way to do it yet the reactive, plan-less Minty One has done nothing of the sort during his entire tenure. by trueblue on August 08, 2008 ive supported rangers for decades now but that was the worst performance yet im sick as much as any rangers fan but weve got to get behind the team were rangers fans remember, but too many of you are sounding more and more like the mob over at breezeblock boulevard GIVE IT A REST LETS DO WHAT WE DO BEST SUPPORT RANGERS, WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, THE PEOPLE by Alfy Cardeck on August 08, 2008 We got knocked out because of gross mismanagement at boardroom level, poor signings over a 15 year period from Bjorklund to Stensaas, Emerson and Capucho right upto Dailly and McCulloch today, my questions are, who is our scout? who does our scouting for us? WHY have we never brought any more Fergusons through, why have we never replaced Barry Ferguson before now(hes 30 now!!), why was Adam brought through Murray Park? Who scouted Dailly? Who scouted Cousin? Who scouted Darcheville? Who recommended McCulloch as "Rangers Class"? Why is Walter allowed to spend over £20m and make 2 good signings out of, i dont know, about 15 players maybe more? Fact is Walter had a squad capable of beating Kaunas but he stuck by his pals, Dailly, McCulloch and Adam and as USUAL they let us down again, absolute rubbish quality, its not nice to watch, its not how you win and its not how you expand the brand as Mr Bain is trying to do. Our set pieces are a disgrace, how many games has nakamura won for the MM with a freekick? whens the last time we had a set piece specialist? ferguosn, adam, mcculloch and boyd...cant hit a ball properly.When are we going to get the wee genius we need? I feel getting rid of the following players will help STRENGTHEN our squad not weaken it even though are losing numbers..Alexander, Beasley, Burke, McCulloch, Cousin, Darcheville, Dailly, Adam, Weir, Novo, ALL of the named here should go, NOT GOOD ENOUGH, that leaves us with not a big squad but a squad with more quality, build the team around, McGregor, Broadfoot, Papac, Cuellar, Webstar, Ferguson, Tommo, Whittaker, Miller, Boyd, Gow, Velicka, Fleck, Bougherra, Hemdani, excellent potential if the manager had a vision of attacking winning football like Levein, McGhee, Burley or Davies. In short my quick fix is selling the dross, or pay them off, CHANGE managers philosophy of defending to ATTACKING football, and bring in 2 or 3 ball players maybe 1 right back and 2 midfielders.We need a freekick taker, a specialist not a world beater just someone who likes to SHOOT, we have a full midfield and NONE of them have the bottle to shoot. Please get rid of the dross.....SDM please help us. There is a question and answer meeting at Murray Park today, hope it goes ok. by Iain on August 08, 2008 ive supported rangers for decades now but that was the worst performance yet im sick as much as any rangers fan but weve got to get behind the team were rangers fans remember, but too many of you are sounding more and more like the mob over at breezeblock boulevard GIVE IT A REST LETS DO WHAT WE DO BEST SUPPORT RANGERS, WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, THE PEOPLE This has to be the biggest misconception ever. Every Rangers fan supports the team, always. That's what we do and we always want them to win. However, that doesn't mean the team and the club are above criticism and at the moment there are a lot of questions to be asked. It doesn't make us like any other mob - it makes us very concerned Rangers supporters. by Rangers Till_I_Die on August 08, 2008 Well said trueblue!! Iain - we're not asking Gers fans to give their support blindly but, like trueble, I'm sick and tired of hearing moaning fans like Alfy just bumping his gums about how bad we are and how we should get rid of x,y and z. Come on Alfy, if you're going to have a go, lets at least see some suggestions about who should be brought in. It's too easy just to criticise without offering any alternative. WATP!! by Iain on August 08, 2008 Well said trueblue!! Iain - we're not asking Gers fans to give their support blindly but, like trueble, I'm sick and tired of hearing moaning fans like Alfy just bumping his gums about how bad we are and how we should get rid of x,y and z. Come on Alfy, if you're going to have a go, lets at least see some suggestions about who should be brought in. It's too easy just to criticise without offering any alternative. WATP!! How about a manager that will include players in their natural positions, maybe give a proper chance to one or two of the more talented youngsters and who won't sign the Scottish Sebo? That's not asking much. We would know plenty of alternative signings if the Chairman had set up a scouting system for the club. by paul on August 08, 2008 do you have any idea how ridiculous and thick the phrase "we are the people" really is? what does it actually mean? honestly, its got to be the most stupid chant from any supporters in europe!! by alfy cardeck on August 08, 2008 ok "rangers till i die", heres my team 4-4-2 GK McGregor RB Lowing (youngster, but we still shouldnt have sold Hutton)we could go for Castro Mex RB, Juliens Dutch RB, Da Silva Paragyan RB, Rusol Ukrainian RB from Dnipro-all good solid, defenders and all can play in centre too. LB Papac or we could try get Smith fit. CB Cuellar CB Bougherra RM dont have one, we could go for Maggio Napoli, Galletti Olympiakos, Cani Villareal, Husev from Kiev, all good attacking RM, and ALL affordable even without European footie for a season. LM dont have one could buy D'Allesandro from Internacional, Arango from Mallorca, Rothen PSG, Marcelinho from Wolfsburg, Brazilian wonderkid Kerlon-a must!, Fernandinho at Shakhtar, all affordable classy PLAYMAKERS and more importantly footballers! CM Thomson/Hemdani CM Ferguson/dont have a replacement at all!! could go for Nolan at Bolton, Jensen at Werder, Renato at Sevilla, Mavuba at Lille, Fabio Simplicio at Palermo, Tymoschuk at Zenit, Jarolim at Hamburg all AFFORDABLE classy midfielders who can PASS. ATT Velicka/Boyd/Naismith ATT Lafferty/Miller/Fleck we only need 2 or 3 crackers to make a challenge for title, but as i said before we must get rid of the rubbish first.Walter is not daft he is just too defensive and para in case he gets humped, well i think thats the wrong attitude, let teams worry about us, dont let us worry about them, we are Rangers afterall! And "Rangers till i die" if you are happy with playing adam, mcculloch and dailly in a rangers team then i feel sorry for you, its a shambles, the team is very poor, but we have to rise above it and put ALL the mistakes right!Midfield heartbeat of the team.Problem with the squad availible at the moment is Walter doesnt know his strongest team and we dont have a STRONG 11! on August 08, 2008 on August 08, 2008 I 've been a hun for decades now and i cant beleive how shocking this sad sack team have become. GIVE IT A REST LETS DO WHAT WE DO BEST SUPPORT REARANGERS, WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, SHOCKING! UP ALFIE by realist on August 08, 2008 tymoschuk? he cost zenit about £12m..... and nolan? prob talkin about minimum £6m. if we cant afford steve davis i think these guys are out our price range. by stevie mccloud on August 08, 2008 in any business professional management and leadership are required. In the football world this translates to: 1. Manager making signing decisions to strengthen team - Walter has failed here during the critical close season. Manager sets tactical approach for all games - this is walters biggest weakness; his one dimensional fall back to 4-5-1 is lacking guile and courage needed in modern game. 2. Leader on Park with fergie out there is no leader; davie weir cannot step up in his absence as this season is one too many; last year was his indian summer; I seen davie close up at a training session last year; his legs were black/blue/cut. 3. Coaches This is what I do not understand. What do Ally/McDowall do to change things. Is Durranty the sounding board for smith and dreaded 4-5-1 and tells him what he wants to hear. I expect Walter to leave at end of season no matter how season goes. The key question for me is what is the plan beyond Walter ; put the plan in place now. I fear this season is a write off already. by alfy cardeck on August 08, 2008 for "be realist" if ye dont ask ye dont get, if ye canny sign the best ones go for the next ones....you always start at top and work yer way down on transfer targets, i just wonder how many knock backs walter got before he got down to mcculloch and dailly, thats alot of knock backs!its gutting.and for "stevie" yer right mate, im angry with ally and kenny for sitting back and letting this happen, and durranty-he had the worst rangers reserve team ever with a pick of several first 11 players, his team were rotten exactly like walters team, hes not a coach/scout or manager, hes a legend!we need fresh new attacking ideas, not le guen or advoacaat ideas but Craig Levein ideas, he is best manager in scotland and has the beating of Walter tactically.Davie Weir was finished last year when Marica beat him in stuttgart for their 3rd goal!i said it then, he looked done! by realist on August 08, 2008 alfy, youre right - celtic will pump us at the end of the month. by Rangers Till_I_Die on August 08, 2008 That's much better Alphy. Not saying I agree with all the players you put forward (and not convinced we could afford/attract some of them) but at least you are being constructive in your criticism. And no, I'm not happy at all with Adam, McCulloch and Dailly (and you can add the likes of Broadfoot, Whittaker and Weir to that list), all I ask is that if you want rid of them then tell us who you would like to see in their place (which you now have done) and then we can have a REAL debate instead of just slagging the current squad. I also think that maybe we should wait until the transfer window is closed before we bemoan the lack of signings (even though I think the penny pinching over the Davis deal has probably cost us £10M). As a fan I am not happy but as a fan I sincerely hope that Walter can prove me wrong and he brings in a couple of creative midfielders ASAP as we now HAVE to win the title this year or we'll be even deeper in the sh*t. I believe we can. by alan martin on August 09, 2008 everybody knows if odonnell hadnt died it would be the manky mob you would all be talking about now by jim t on August 09, 2008 aaaa, the "ye can run but ye cant hide" game? i know mate, they are in denial about that, and it might be wrong to talk about it, BUT, they were in turmoil with mcgready injured, no hinkel, and a poor team in poor form, they KNEW if we humped them at the dump like we would have done, we would have won the league, INSTEAD, they played us moths later with a FULL STRENGTH team including a few new buys and they beat us with help from the ref(mcdonald offside, the penalty that should have been our freekick!!etc etc.end of story. but even before that game, we were still playing anti-football and depressing to watch. Please enter E-mail accountPlease enter CommentThe text you have entered from the picture is not correct. Please try again. 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by Iain on August 08, 2008
It's well written but I don't agree with most of it. If you want to defend David Murray in terms of a wider-thinking, long-term plan, where is the scouting network and the youth academy? We have neither. If he wanted to move the club forward then this is the best way to do it yet the reactive, plan-less Minty One has done nothing of the sort during his entire tenure.
by trueblue on August 08, 2008
ive supported rangers for decades now but that was the worst performance yet im sick as much as any rangers fan but weve got to get behind the team were rangers fans remember, but too many of you are sounding more and more like the mob over at breezeblock boulevard GIVE IT A REST LETS DO WHAT WE DO BEST SUPPORT RANGERS, WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, THE PEOPLE
by Alfy Cardeck on August 08, 2008
We got knocked out because of gross mismanagement at boardroom level, poor signings over a 15 year period from Bjorklund to Stensaas, Emerson and Capucho right upto Dailly and McCulloch today, my questions are, who is our scout? who does our scouting for us? WHY have we never brought any more Fergusons through, why have we never replaced Barry Ferguson before now(hes 30 now!!), why was Adam brought through Murray Park? Who scouted Dailly? Who scouted Cousin? Who scouted Darcheville? Who recommended McCulloch as "Rangers Class"? Why is Walter allowed to spend over £20m and make 2 good signings out of, i dont know, about 15 players maybe more? Fact is Walter had a squad capable of beating Kaunas but he stuck by his pals, Dailly, McCulloch and Adam and as USUAL they let us down again, absolute rubbish quality, its not nice to watch, its not how you win and its not how you expand the brand as Mr Bain is trying to do. Our set pieces are a disgrace, how many games has nakamura won for the MM with a freekick? whens the last time we had a set piece specialist? ferguosn, adam, mcculloch and boyd...cant hit a ball properly.When are we going to get the wee genius we need? I feel getting rid of the following players will help STRENGTHEN our squad not weaken it even though are losing numbers..Alexander, Beasley, Burke, McCulloch, Cousin, Darcheville, Dailly, Adam, Weir, Novo, ALL of the named here should go, NOT GOOD ENOUGH, that leaves us with not a big squad but a squad with more quality, build the team around, McGregor, Broadfoot, Papac, Cuellar, Webstar, Ferguson, Tommo, Whittaker, Miller, Boyd, Gow, Velicka, Fleck, Bougherra, Hemdani, excellent potential if the manager had a vision of attacking winning football like Levein, McGhee, Burley or Davies. In short my quick fix is selling the dross, or pay them off, CHANGE managers philosophy of defending to ATTACKING football, and bring in 2 or 3 ball players maybe 1 right back and 2 midfielders.We need a freekick taker, a specialist not a world beater just someone who likes to SHOOT, we have a full midfield and NONE of them have the bottle to shoot. Please get rid of the dross.....SDM please help us. There is a question and answer meeting at Murray Park today, hope it goes ok.
by Rangers Till_I_Die on August 08, 2008
Well said trueblue!! Iain - we're not asking Gers fans to give their support blindly but, like trueble, I'm sick and tired of hearing moaning fans like Alfy just bumping his gums about how bad we are and how we should get rid of x,y and z. Come on Alfy, if you're going to have a go, lets at least see some suggestions about who should be brought in. It's too easy just to criticise without offering any alternative. WATP!!
by paul on August 08, 2008
do you have any idea how ridiculous and thick the phrase "we are the people" really is? what does it actually mean? honestly, its got to be the most stupid chant from any supporters in europe!!
by alfy cardeck on August 08, 2008
ok "rangers till i die", heres my team 4-4-2 GK McGregor RB Lowing (youngster, but we still shouldnt have sold Hutton)we could go for Castro Mex RB, Juliens Dutch RB, Da Silva Paragyan RB, Rusol Ukrainian RB from Dnipro-all good solid, defenders and all can play in centre too. LB Papac or we could try get Smith fit. CB Cuellar CB Bougherra RM dont have one, we could go for Maggio Napoli, Galletti Olympiakos, Cani Villareal, Husev from Kiev, all good attacking RM, and ALL affordable even without European footie for a season. LM dont have one could buy D'Allesandro from Internacional, Arango from Mallorca, Rothen PSG, Marcelinho from Wolfsburg, Brazilian wonderkid Kerlon-a must!, Fernandinho at Shakhtar, all affordable classy PLAYMAKERS and more importantly footballers! CM Thomson/Hemdani CM Ferguson/dont have a replacement at all!! could go for Nolan at Bolton, Jensen at Werder, Renato at Sevilla, Mavuba at Lille, Fabio Simplicio at Palermo, Tymoschuk at Zenit, Jarolim at Hamburg all AFFORDABLE classy midfielders who can PASS. ATT Velicka/Boyd/Naismith ATT Lafferty/Miller/Fleck we only need 2 or 3 crackers to make a challenge for title, but as i said before we must get rid of the rubbish first.Walter is not daft he is just too defensive and para in case he gets humped, well i think thats the wrong attitude, let teams worry about us, dont let us worry about them, we are Rangers afterall! And "Rangers till i die" if you are happy with playing adam, mcculloch and dailly in a rangers team then i feel sorry for you, its a shambles, the team is very poor, but we have to rise above it and put ALL the mistakes right!Midfield heartbeat of the team.Problem with the squad availible at the moment is Walter doesnt know his strongest team and we dont have a STRONG 11!
on August 08, 2008 on August 08, 2008
I 've been a hun for decades now and i cant beleive how shocking this sad sack team have become. GIVE IT A REST LETS DO WHAT WE DO BEST SUPPORT REARANGERS, WE ARE, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, SHOCKING! UP ALFIE
by realist on August 08, 2008
tymoschuk? he cost zenit about £12m..... and nolan? prob talkin about minimum £6m. if we cant afford steve davis i think these guys are out our price range.
by stevie mccloud on August 08, 2008
in any business professional management and leadership are required. In the football world this translates to: 1. Manager making signing decisions to strengthen team - Walter has failed here during the critical close season. Manager sets tactical approach for all games - this is walters biggest weakness; his one dimensional fall back to 4-5-1 is lacking guile and courage needed in modern game. 2. Leader on Park with fergie out there is no leader; davie weir cannot step up in his absence as this season is one too many; last year was his indian summer; I seen davie close up at a training session last year; his legs were black/blue/cut. 3. Coaches This is what I do not understand. What do Ally/McDowall do to change things. Is Durranty the sounding board for smith and dreaded 4-5-1 and tells him what he wants to hear. I expect Walter to leave at end of season no matter how season goes. The key question for me is what is the plan beyond Walter ; put the plan in place now. I fear this season is a write off already.
for "be realist" if ye dont ask ye dont get, if ye canny sign the best ones go for the next ones....you always start at top and work yer way down on transfer targets, i just wonder how many knock backs walter got before he got down to mcculloch and dailly, thats alot of knock backs!its gutting.and for "stevie" yer right mate, im angry with ally and kenny for sitting back and letting this happen, and durranty-he had the worst rangers reserve team ever with a pick of several first 11 players, his team were rotten exactly like walters team, hes not a coach/scout or manager, hes a legend!we need fresh new attacking ideas, not le guen or advoacaat ideas but Craig Levein ideas, he is best manager in scotland and has the beating of Walter tactically.Davie Weir was finished last year when Marica beat him in stuttgart for their 3rd goal!i said it then, he looked done!
alfy, youre right - celtic will pump us at the end of the month.
That's much better Alphy. Not saying I agree with all the players you put forward (and not convinced we could afford/attract some of them) but at least you are being constructive in your criticism. And no, I'm not happy at all with Adam, McCulloch and Dailly (and you can add the likes of Broadfoot, Whittaker and Weir to that list), all I ask is that if you want rid of them then tell us who you would like to see in their place (which you now have done) and then we can have a REAL debate instead of just slagging the current squad. I also think that maybe we should wait until the transfer window is closed before we bemoan the lack of signings (even though I think the penny pinching over the Davis deal has probably cost us £10M). As a fan I am not happy but as a fan I sincerely hope that Walter can prove me wrong and he brings in a couple of creative midfielders ASAP as we now HAVE to win the title this year or we'll be even deeper in the sh*t. I believe we can.
by alan martin on August 09, 2008
everybody knows if odonnell hadnt died it would be the manky mob you would all be talking about now
by jim t on August 09, 2008
aaaa, the "ye can run but ye cant hide" game? i know mate, they are in denial about that, and it might be wrong to talk about it, BUT, they were in turmoil with mcgready injured, no hinkel, and a poor team in poor form, they KNEW if we humped them at the dump like we would have done, we would have won the league, INSTEAD, they played us moths later with a FULL STRENGTH team including a few new buys and they beat us with help from the ref(mcdonald offside, the penalty that should have been our freekick!!etc etc.end of story. but even before that game, we were still playing anti-football and depressing to watch.
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