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South Africa v New Zealand – which is history’s greatest rugby nation?
It's one hell of a battle – the Springboks are current world champions and twice winners of the title, while the All Blacks hold the best record of any nation by some margin.
by James Mortimer on 22 April 2008
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I think it prudent to begin this by clearing up a misunderstanding of Springbok rugby evident to their loyal supporters. South Africa was not banned from playing rugby internationally because they were too dominant. There were racial and political reasons this occurred, but that is not the point I am hoping to resolve.The rivalry between New Zealand and South Africa began in 1921, with the first official Test match played between the teams at the House of Pain, in Carisbrook, Dunedin. The first two series involving these two mammoths of rugby were drawn, in New Zealand in the 1921 series over three matches, and then in the Republic in 1928.At this stage both nations had established their international reputations. The Springboks had been the first nation to defeat the collective might of Mike Morrison’s British Lions in 1903 – and had already claimed their first touring Grand Slam in 1912/1913. The All Black “Originals” in 1905 had toured outside Australasia for the first time and won 34 of 35 games – then the “Invincibles” toured the Northern Hemisphere in 1924 and won all 32 of their games. The New Zealanders scored over 1,700 points on these combined tours!‘South Africa has lost to seven of the current Test nations – while the All Blacks have only lost to five’In 1937 the Springboks claimed their first series victory over the Men in Black, the first time the All Blacks had lost a home series. The next series, in 1949, was a 4-0 triumph for South Africa – the only time the All Blacks had been whitewashed in a Test series. In 1956 the Springboks toured New Zealand and lost 3-1, the Africans’ first series loss against any opponent. Before the apartheid controversies led to banishment of South Africa, New Zealand claimed two series against the Springboks’ three – both teams remaining almost unbeatable at home.Up to this point, in the Springboks’ “amateur era, until 1981 – their last pre-apartheid tour – the Springboks had claimed 21 victories over the All Blacks, while the New Zealanders had 18 wins to their name. The two teams would not play each other again until 1992. In 1986 the New Zealand “Cavaliers” toured South Africa – but this was an unsanctioned team, and their results were not official, with the New Zealand players banned by the NZRU.Since the Springboks’ re-entry to Test rugby, the All Blacks in this time had solidified their reputation as arguably the world’s dominant force. The Africans would lose their first three games of the professional era to the Men in Black, but saved their finest moment for their maiden World Cup triumph in 1995. In 1996, Sean Fitzpatrick led the All Blacks to a 3-1 series victory against the Springboks, the final frontier for the Kiwis and their first series win on African soil. In 1998 the Africans beat New Zealand 2-0 at home – the first time in 22 years the Springboks had claimed a series win over the All Blacks.
Comments (12)
by Cobus Basson on April 22, 2008
As a South African I would love to claim that the Springboks are the greatest, but the statistics of late show otherwise. I would want to call it a tie, with the Springboks being the dominant power in the amateur era and before isolation, and the All Blacks being the dominant power in the professional era. That would satisfy most South Africans I think. I grew up in the amateur era and remember the great Springbok/All Black clashes, which have lost that aura it used to have in the old days. Furthermore, the South Africa of the pre-isolation and pre-professional era and the current South AFrica are two different countries almost. I am not saying the old one was better in any way, just different, and the difference in the rugby is also evident. So, two different eras, professional vs amateur, two different countries, old and new SA. SA dominating the 1st era, NZ dominating the 2nd.
by Greg Smith on April 23, 2008
Jimmy, your South African history lets you down. Statistic's swing round to favour Africa when you consider a number of HISTORICAL FACTS. South Africa became a Union in 1910. Inter-colonial rugby played between Republics (independent countries) like Rhodesia, Transvaal, the Cape Colony, the Free State, Natal and British Kafraria have NOT been included into SPRINGBOK stats. If you add these 37 TEST INTERNATIONALS, the SPRINGBOKS race ahead of the AB's. Furthermore ... the AB's have marketed themselves as the GREATEST for so long, it makes me sick... A couple points here: 1. when watching rugby in the 1970's refereeing in New Zealand was shocking... 2. AB rugby has been Professional since its 1871 3. South African rugby was truly Amateur and players were often entwined in the struggles in AFRICA of the day, this includes 17 Wars, 3 Revolutions, bannishment from international sport and such and such.... So out of context, yes the AB's are great, IN context, the SPRINGBOKS are the greatest TEAM in rugby union history...
by Delusional on April 23, 2008
Greg, you are not right in the head. The inter-colonial rugby is irrelevent between republics as they are not test matches. The same as All Black games against NSW and Queensland were not - so what relevence does this have????? What is the Africans point with marketing? The most successful products in the world are never always the best - but are the ones best marketed - and most importantly, the AB's don't market themselves as the best - it's just the arguments to compelling. Refereeing in NZ was shocking - SOUTH AFRICA DIDN'T USE NEUTRAL REFEREES. So learn your facts. AB's professional since 1871 - are you messed in the mind, no national sport on earth was professional until the late eighties. Read the article again, and then check your own stat's from the Greg Smith fairyland.
by ALL BLACKS NUMBER ONE on April 23, 2008
Kiwi's number one. Bokkies would never have won the world cup if they had faced the Blacks. New Zealand 75% winning record in all history - that sums it up - THE ALL BLACKS ARE NUMBER ONE AND WILL BE FORWVER
by semi molimoli on April 23, 2008
I like rugby
by Greg Smith on April 24, 2008
In reversing the last decades rusty start by the Boks, I assure you your sacred STATS will be undone. As rugby spreads like wildfire in Africa (with a Billion people), the speck on the edge of the world, New Zealand will be blown away... my grandchildren will be laughing when I tell them that a team for New Zealand was once a contender in rugby union !
by David Kacey on April 24, 2008
Before and after Union of the four seperate countries, Cape Colony; Natal; Orange Free State; Transvaal, Rhodesia and South West Africa were never part of that Union or the later Republic of South Africa. However, these "International" matches were never recognised as such. Can the same be said of NZ playing "tests" against their "satelites" like Tonga, etc? Just asking because I really don't know. The All Blacks will keep claiming to be the best and that is undestandable. They KNOW how to market and are past masters at the art of manipulating referees. And yes, like it or not, the refereeing in both Australia and NZ left a lot to be desired earlier. Any team beating the AB's on home soil had to beat the ref as well. However, YES, the All Blacks are a very great team and they are licking their chops at the prospect of beating the world champs. I also agree that, until SA has beaten them, the whole world has doubts. But, as the late Boy Louw used to say: "Looks at the score-board, man!" ....Two World cups and one "Fourteen", Doo-da, Doo-da!
by Rugby Fan on May 08, 2008
AB/Bok clashes will forever be tight fought contests.It is just a case of great rivalry that sets the benchmark for the modern game. None can argue that they are both synonymous with the game of Rugby. There is no greater clash than All Blacks v Springboks. Long may they expand on their rivalry and continue to love this great game.
by Werner Coetzee on May 13, 2008
2 Eras = South African rugby players all did military service and were warriors in the true sence of the word. The new South Africa with the rainbow nation may have a lot of positive things in it but as rugby players the Rambo nation of the old SA kicked ass........ Would not wont the old days back though can live with losing to AB every now and then.
by David de Mattos on May 15, 2008
What is it with the constant cry of "if you had faced..." and dirty tricks. On and on and on.To the winner go the spoils. We won, you did'nt. Stop moaning and rebuild. South Africans are good at rebuilding thats what got us the last Cup and lifting the Webb Ellis Cup twice, well I think thats proof enough.You know even the Convicts whine less than McBlacks Fans. I have respect for them. They also have two. Viva McBlacks, viva the Ancient Enemy. I love to hate you, love to play you. Roll on Tri-Nations 08.
by You Know NZ sucks on July 14, 2008
Give the Boks some time and watch how every all black record is undone you bloody losers, and all you South Africans in New Zealand are bloody Moffies! even worse than those fools who do the haca
by Clinton Deale on July 29, 2008
Ah! The great old Rivalry South Africa VS New Zealand, My word people make it out that the All Blacks are the greatest rugby nation of all time......what a load of crap! Now don't get me wrong the All Blacks have certainly got some very impressive records, they always play with great intensity. South Africa unfortunately due to apartheid back in the dark days will always be behind in your little record games... but with time records are always broken! South Africa came back to international rugby in 1992....they have played in four World Cups and won two, at the end of the day I can certainly assure you the All Black players would rather have a World Cup medal around their necks than some record that might prove they are a Dominant Force in some people's imagination.....Long live South African Rugby!!!!!!
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