South Africa will only truly be world champions if they beat the All Blacks

Actually they are true world champions, yes i agree that not playing one of our SANZAR partners took some of the shine off the win but come on.. NZ lost to France and Aus lost to Eng.. is that our fault? No at the end of the day NZ lost to the french AGAIN and didnt deserve to be in the semi finals.. That is what a world cup is all about.. When it comes down to the "BIG" match temp NZ simply crumble, is that a sign of the "BEST" team in the world?

In the 4 years between the 03' WC and now Graham Henry's All Blacks have played 51 matches won an almighty 45 matches and lost a paltry 6. By contrast the boks have played 57, won 39, lost 17 and drawn 1. SA are world champions in name only, you lost both games you played against us last year and to top your hollow WC win off you were thrashed by the barbarians in a game which included many All Blacks.

The All Blacks will only truly be champions once they stop choking and actually manage to win the World Cup. Reminds me a bit of the old Cross-your-Heart Bra slogan. "All the support but no cup".

Sorry mate we won the very first world cup in 1987 held on home soil, and the only WC result anyone will find time to remember in 500 years when weve won our 100th title.There are many reasons why we havent won since but the simple fact is that since that first ever tournament began in 87 the All Blacks have totally dominated world rugby with an almighty 80.2% win rate from 207 games, while our nearest rivals the boks clock in with a relatively average 62.7% success rate from 185 played since 1992.It sure seems like the boks have lost a hell of alot more 'BIG' games than AB's have now, doesnt it?!

Better to choke once every four years than once every few games like you lot do hehe.

Lemon your user name represents your views.."sour".. Cant beleive the pish that comes out of that mouth of yours. First of all your statement about the all blacks being the most successful at the time of 87 is complete crap. Were you born in the eighties by any chance?.. The Boks were the most successful team in the Amateur era, every rugby pundit knows it. In fact the results before 87 were BOKS win 20 NZ win 14.. The boks also hold a world record of 9 victories in a row over the all blacks in that era So this brings me to your other comments, If our world champion tag is hollow in the eyes of some idiotic kiwi fans because we never played a team that lost to the french to get the world cup, then i say your one and only cup win on home soil in 87 is even more hollow... Fact being the best team on the planet at the time of the world cup was not allowed to take part.. How can you call yourselves world champs in 87 when the team that was regulary beating you, the Springboks, werent even playing!

Get your glasses on and read the post again strums. I stated 'since' not 'before 87'. Where do you get your stats from mate, your long memory? The record for boks vs AB's in amateur era is 20 won 15 lost and 2 drawn.And there you go twisting the truth again by saying the boks hold a world record 9 wins in a row over the AB's, boks in fact won 6 in a row in amateur era which AB's left in the dust in pro era with an 8 win run.How can you say that boks were more successful than AB's in amateur era when the Blacks had won 70.7% of theyre games and the boks had won 62.1% of all games played. Coulda shoulda woulda, excuses excuses, thats all i ever hear from bok supporters, get over it, your second best and you always will be until you overtake New Zealand in the record books.

In the amateur era the All Blacks smashed through 22 seasons without a defeat, while SA managed just half that amount with 11. That stat alone makes the AB's the most successful in the amateur era. So stop your bleating!

Boks win record against AB's for the whole of the amateur era is in fact 41 played,20 won,18 lost and 3 drawn.

Ha ha..your last comment proves that the World Champs had a better win ratio against the AB's in the whole of the era which covers 7 decades moran. Its a known fact that the boks were the most feared team on the plant 20 years ago. Its only in the last 10 years that you have had the edge between large tournements(worldcups) where the men are seperated from the boys

You win 3 more matches than us and that alone makes you the best in the amateur era? Whatever mate, the simple fact is that during that time the AB's played 283 won 200 lost 68 and drew 15 for a 70.7% win rate. Boks record for that same period is 195 played,121 won, 57 lost and 17 drawn for a 62.1% win record, you dont even come close to matching that. During amateur era boks lost to Ireland once and Scotland 3 times, remind me how many times those nations have beaten NZ again? Oh thats right none.Call the Boks the most feared if you like but dont ever lie and say they were the most successful and therefore best team in the amateur era. Dont be bitter, not much need for personal attacks strums.

Percentage of wins for boks versus England in amateur era is 58.3%, for AB's versus England that rises to 76.5%, Boks versus Aus 68.8%, AB's vs Aus 67.7%,Boks vs France 56.5%, AB's vs Fra 76.7%, Boks vs British Lions 50.0%, AB's vs BL 74.3%. Accept the truth.

Oh Lemon you dont know when to quit do you.. You forgot one stat there bud.. Boks against the AB's 52% win ratio, correct me if im wrong but that means in the amateur era the boks were the only team on the planet to have a positive win ratio against every rugby playing country and if we beat you more than you beat us then doest that mean we were better?

In your twisted logic yes it does but in reality and in most peoples minds the most successful team equals the best team so in the one statistic that truly matters Im afraid the boks come a distant second. WIN RATIO for All Blacks = 70.7%:WIN RATIO for SA = 62.1%. If you take away games against the Cavaliers and South American Jaguars then your record is even worse!Fine if youd've won even just 5 more matches than ABs during that time, but just two matches!Give me a break.What are your views on the fact South African referees were in control of certain test matches in which boks won on home soil?