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by Donna Gee on 20 June 2007
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by Rodney McDonell on June 20, 2007
I'm open to a merger - but when it gets down to rules, it would be pretty hard going trying to decide which ones to keep and which to not. I have however often though that perhaps rugby could be split like the different codes of cricket. We now have 20/20, One day and Test's. Similar too how rugby has 7s, league and union. But then the question comes, which to keep for which types of games. League for club and Union for tests? Or visa versa? It wouldn't happen and neither will merging the codes. They'll continue to progress their own ways.
by Gray on June 20, 2007
Not sure why you'd want to join the codes??? Years ago a cross codes was played for charity (Wigan/Wasps i think) - it was crap. It started as a class divide, south being rich meaning that didn't need money to play while in the north they had to work and thus have to get paid to play. I've also had the pleasure of living in Twickenham and I now live up north and have never, ever, seen a problem between the fans - look at 'Quins! I'd see it as the death of 2 sports I enjoy watching - not the creation of a better sport. Maybe we should join Badminton and Boxing ...
by Paul on June 20, 2007
What Bott doesn't see is the absolute decimation of RU's junior ranks by RL in Australia. It's never reported upon either because it is just an everyday occurance. THe devasating Fuifui Moimoi from Parramatta rugby league club is just one of many examples of union players switching to RL. Heaps of young Aussies also switch..they switch in their late teens and generally never look back and it is teaing RU to shreds at its junior levels in Australia. BUt when one Oz RL star goes to UNion.. you'll read about it non-stop.
I used a bad example in my post. Fuifui Moimoi is Tongan and switch to RL... still heaps of Aussie teens switch to rl in their late teens and decimate RU in oz....
by mishery on June 20, 2007
The article says "I can sympathise with the Rugby League fraternity who find the competitive scrummaging and countless lineouts in Union eminently boring. To anyone who doesn’t understand the intricacies of set-pieces, it must be like watching grass grow." I grew up playing union and understand the intricacies fine. It is just after watching league for the last ten years I now find them utterly boring. I would rather watch running, passing, tackling rugby. Curling has many technical intricacies but it, like rugby union, is dull as dish-water to watch.
by Tom on June 20, 2007
With regards to Paul's comments, its a fact that a lot players that are playing Super 14 rugby with clubs in Aus and NZ were reserve graders in RL's NRL in Aust - ie could not make the grade in RL but easily make it in Union! Rugby in Aus is now the fourth ranked professional sport and soon to fall behind tiddly winks and netball -behind League, soccer and Aussie Rules (or aerial ping pong as its known).
by karl on June 20, 2007
It would certainly be great to see the codes unite. For this to happen would require a great many snobs to swallow their pride and admit that rugby league is a far better game because it came from the lower classes. The Welsh have been as pig headed as any in regards to the treatment and portrayal of rugby league players. This is testament of the power the upper class can have over the consciousness of the lower classes through bias, myths and media manipulation etc. It would be best for rugby if the powers that be in rugby union just stepped out of the way and allowed rugby league people to promote and run the game. In league they are used to working in an open market, whereas union types believe the world owes them something just for being. They have a strong tradition of oppossing a level playing field. As for the Kangaroos playing the All Blacks. It would need to be played in quarters for the All Blacks to keep up the pace. In the Wallabies v South Africa the other night, the South Africans ma
made 52 or so tackles which is the amount a host of league players make each week.
The reason the tackle counts are high is that it's an integral part of the game. People will never compromise their sport either. You ask the union to step aside, would league do it? Surely it's a choice for players and fans alike to choose a sport they want to play and watch. Again, 2 separate sports, they don't need uniting! It'd kill 'em both.
by christian hudson on June 20, 2007
At the end of the day League comes from Union but pro Union (apart from the stupid law changes recently)looks like a different game from what it was 20 years ago. I really don't see the problem with merging the 2 codes but it's only really Australia and England and maybe New Zealand in which and not the rest of the Union world that the merging the game would matter. In Australia i think the 2 codes should merge before League becomes no3 and Union no3 in the football code race with Soccer and Aussie Rules being in the long term 1 and 2.They say they want the scrum back in League well if thats the case et the 2 codes become one and lets stop being petty a try is a try,a tackle is a tackle. My League club play in a Touch comp at the local Union ground and t's all a mix of League and Union fans and we all get on well and like each others code. The new laws are being tested and hopefully it will make Union more exciting and if thats the case i be happy to see the League boys go over.
by Harpo on June 20, 2007
Merging codes will only serve to create a third rugby code, and dilute support for League & Union. You say how good RU is as a sport, yet your only examples of the joy of RU all come in the pubs and clubs before and after the game. RU is a brand, RL is a sport.
by Peter Beckwith on June 21, 2007
The fans have absolutely no say in what will happen in either code. The administrators will want to maintain their own prestigious position so why try to change things?...... The problem has ever been admin, not players or even in a large sense, fans!
by Cheezel on June 21, 2007
Congrats on an improved article. Your comment "I could understand the frustration of the League brigade in the days when Union was amateur and inferior. Well in my opinion Union is still amateur to a degree and still very much inferior to league in many ways. I am not having a go at Union I am just sharing my opinion just like you have with your article. Frustration? The only thing league followers get frustrated about is the continued lies put out in the press by Union biased authors. Why is it league authors write about league and Union authors write about league. Seems like a particular codes fans are a bit worried about the state of their game so they take it out on their closest rival.
by Ifor Dando on June 21, 2007
In the 60's and 70's both union and league were well represented in Britain with informed and entertaining commentators. Unlike the modern versions who are boring, biased and better off cross-dressing than helping to destroy the games. It is the skills of the players that create and entertain the public rather than the continual emphasis on the referee or justifying the role of the coaches. As a player of rugby union I always played to the ref unlike the so called "professionals" of today cannot change their game plan to take into account the strengths and weaknesses of the official in the middle.
by Daniel on June 21, 2007
The majority of the two codes' fans have no problem with the rival game. There is, naturally, a bit of banter and needle about the 'enemy's' shortcomings. What really poisons the relationship is when Rugby Union (almost never the other way round) journalists write uninformed and often deliberately malicious articles, which appear in the national and international media, without the slightest hint of balance or a right to reply. People who know little about the two codes have no reason to doubt this garbage, and Rugby League is damaged by it. Could you imagine this happening in any other field? Some journo with his snout in the Barclays corporate trough writing deliberately damaging articles about Lloyds, for instance? There'd be outrage, and the hack in question would rightly be punished for it. So, you're damn right there's bitterness.
by James Vukmirovic on June 21, 2007
Donna, that was an excellent article that I enjoyed reading and can get a lot out of. It mystifies me why there are people who sneer and snipe at anything that comes out of either code, when they could be talking up their own game and the good points. I love both codes and am quite content going anywhere to watch either code. Some people won't think the same way, but that's their opinion in the end