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by James Mortimer on 25 September 2007
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by Leslie Young on September 26, 2007
For the ABs, it all comes down to the execution of their strategies. Forget about all the illogical reasoning about choking, being rusty, having a weak pool play, having weaknesses in the lineout, having not got their combinations right, or having weakneses at centre. In the end this AB side has enough depth, talent, and experience to get through. They can play 10 man rugby if they have to. They don't necessarily have to play perfectly to win. In addition, it would be fitting for the ABs to win against France, Australia, and South African in order to get to the cup. Each win would help erase past stumbles: falling to france in 1999 when France looked unconvincing in the pools, having never beaten OZ in a semi-final, and losing to SA in the 1995 final.
by Jimbo on September 26, 2007
Despite being a passionate ABs supporter, I'm also salivating at the prospect of the upcoming games. We are finally getting towards the interesting part of the tournament. Tonga vs England - go the Tongans; this is your best opportunity to roll the World Champions. In doing so, hopefully you will silence Stephen Jones as he realises that the Pacific Island teams who have players in the S14 and other global teams are a legitimate ongoing threat to England. Kind of difficult to preach about poaching, when two apparently 'poached' teams (Samoa / Tonga) are playing so well against the English yawn-fest. Even if England *do* lurch their way through to the quarter finals, they're up against a quietly waiting Wallabies squad. When I say 'quietly', it's an ominous quiet that awaits England. Much of the Wallabies squad were deeply hurt by the England drop-goal win in 2003, and they are pretty keen to get out on a paddock with the Poms and re-introduce them to the wonderful, surgical running play which comes fr
by John Christie on September 26, 2007
I agree with you James, the signs are certainly all their that the AB's are looking to go to the Turbo! They wont be showing it all yet. But when they do -hopefully it will be like France 2004 again :)
by Daniel Gershon on September 26, 2007
Keeping in mind that South Africa played its Tonga game with second stringers, and only recently in the Tri-nations were very competitive with their second stringers, suggests the quality of the Tonga team may be better than in the past, and not that the Springboks are weak.If you feel that they are "not Championship vintage" its an opinion not shared by many others, among them Sean Fitzpatrick, whose opinion and knowledge of the game may be more trustworthy than your own. Also keep in mind that the AB's do not have a very good cup record against the Boks. They lost the 1995 final as well as the 1999 3rd place playoffs to the Boks.
by Brad on September 26, 2007
Im not to sure New Zealands semi final will be against Australia although England have been disgrace so far the inclusion of Wilkinson seems to give them an extra leg and with his goal kicking and drop goals i believe there an outside chance to beat Aussie.
by Ivan on September 26, 2007
What a final it's going to be, the two giants of the game going at it head to head in a Winner takes all finale. An AB SA game is without doubt the toughest games that either ever play, physically and mentally. The blacks are starting to get all engines firing and the boks seem to be able to lift it when they want to. Mark my words... this will be called the greatest WC final in history. either could win it, ABs to start off clear favorites, but we all know only one team is really capable of stopping them... Bring it on.
by Patcho on September 26, 2007
I also don't think the Tonga match tells us much about the Boks. A much better gauge was the Boks-England game. SA played much better there than the ABs played against Scotland. This by far the most settled and experienced SA team for 10 years. And don't forget what happened in the Super 14 this year. The ABs are of course favourites, but it should be interesting to see what happens.
Brad - I agree England are an outside chance - the difference between England and the other NH teams is that England do know how to win. It is a chance in my view
by fishboy on September 27, 2007
I think that England really are a spent force - even with Wilkinson they don't look to have the speed or fitness to match the Aussies (even though theirs is an aging team too). But France, if they manage to actually fire on all cylinders (big IF), I think are the NH team of choice. Still, it doesn't look good for any of the 6 nations teams to get past the quarters...
by Leslie Young on September 27, 2007
We all saw that it was the SA "B" side against Tonga. However, whether the SA "A" side can play consistantly like they did against Eng (and it could be argued that it was a very poor Eng side)is still debatable regardless of which "experts" agree or not. The test for SA will be how well they can dispatch Wales/Fiji. Concerning this SA's track record against this ABs team in the worldcup? there is none. The only thing we can go by is the Tri-nations series between 2003 and now. SA are capable of beating the ABs, but can they do it on neutral ground? So far since 2004(the closest to the current makeup of teams) there have been around 6 games. SA have won 2 and they have been close. The odds still favour the ABs. However, the SA have confidence in their last game against this AB side - they were actually leading before they lost.
by Daniel Gershon on September 29, 2007
Consistent achieving does not seem to be a problem with the Springbok side anymore. Over the last three years, the Springbok side has consistently fared better on both home and foreign soil than their cousins from down under. Winning margins have been more, and losing margins less. Concerning SA's track record being none against the AB's in WC performances, may I just point out that the backbone of both the current Springbok and AB sides consists of players that were involved in the 2002 u-21 World Cup, which the Springboks won easily under their now RWC coach? And just to confirm my impartiality, I am an Israeli from the UK living in South Korea.
by fishboy on September 29, 2007
Leslie, if you're referring to the game in Durban - it wasn't the last match between NZ & RSA, they played again in Christchurch and were defeated 33-06. In any case the idea that "they were leading before they lost" is a confidence boost is a tad ridiculous. It's more of a tip the other way - they were leading, they lost, AND it was a home game.
Daniel, the Springboks have been playing extremely well for some time now but I think you're being disingenuous claiming that they're more consistent than NZ or Australia. You can't get much more consistent than the ABs - they've lost 4 games in as many years, the biggest margin (against RSA) being 14 points. And you seem to be forgetting the 49-0 hammering that Australia gave the Springboks last year.
by Leslie Young on October 01, 2007
I agree with fishboy - if you look at the stats - NZ has a better away record than SA - and actually better than any other country. Whether SA is consistent it is a matter of perception - they may well be more consistent against the home nations - but have SA really been consitent against NZ and Aus in the tri-nations? in terms of winning against these teams? That's important because they are most likely to meet one of these two in the final (and away from home). You make a good point about the u21 finals (can someone tell me exactly who was in each team?)- but you have to realise the players would have changed in 4 years and the coaching staff and strategies are different (Graham Henry and his strategies were not part of the NZ u21 team in 2002)- i don't believe you can actually compare the u21 matchup with current matchups between NZ and SA - its still not a valid comparison.
Fishboy - to try and gauge how well SA play against NZ i was trying to look at the matchups between the SA top team vs NZ top team with both Jake White and Graham Henry in charge (which may meet in the World Cup final). Therefore, the Durban game was the most recent game between these two teams (as close as possible). SA played a "B" side in the Christchurch game.
Fishboy - again - it is a matter of perception - During the 2006 Tri-Nations when Aus lost games to the ABs there was always a claim by the coach that Aus were getting closer to beating NZ. They used that attitude to mentally inch closer to each game. This year they actually beat the ABs. When i was saying that SA could use the Durban game as a confident boost - from one part. point of view they are getting close to the ABs - all they need to do next time is to hold that lead - whether they can do that is another issue - but the confidence is that they were leading until the last quarter of the game - its a matter of taking positives into the next game.
by fishboy on October 01, 2007
I agree that that's what the coaches will try to instill in their player, the belief that they have had the ABs on the ropes and just failed to finish them off. I think the choice to not send their top team away following the defeat might knock that confidence tho. No matter how much it's dressed up as 'resting' and 'preparation' there's a sneaking suspicion that the B team were sent to Aus & NZ to spare the A team more confidence sapping defeats..
Fishboy - yeah agree is all in the coaching. Build depth? build consistency? build combinations or build contingencies. I think it is going to be an interesting quarters/semis/ and finals in terms of which coach's strategy will be the winning one.
by debra on October 02, 2007
Seldom have I read an opinion on this World Cup that I so whole-heartedly agree with. Yes, a Kiwi/Springbok clash is absolutely always a match made in heaven as far as rugby fans are concerned. Also true is the fact that each team is to the other, their toughest opponent. I agree too, that this world cup will be one to remember. Springboks will win it, but it will be a hard won victory with the points difference around 6. GO THE BOKKE!!!!
by ANNIE on October 08, 2007
go Agentina
by Julien on October 09, 2007
The best explanation of the defeat I'have ever read. PS : So great (for a french) to read it now
by Don on October 09, 2007
"I believe that come semi-final time, the New Zealanders will be far too strong in the pack and will grind out the Australians ..." Where, oh where has Mortimer gone? Oh, where, oh where can he be? The silence since Saturday is deafening!