Am I the only one who saw what happened to Serge Betsen. He was not injured in a tackle but was punched by a forward as he tried to get up. Perhaps the sin binning wasnt correst but maybe the all Blacks should have had only Fourteen players from the third minute.

Sorry bud but you're smokin something , Betsen was clearly knocked out by one of his own team mates whose knee knocked him after the tackle he made

I think the refs calls were the cause of the loss for New Zealand. There was no physical way McAlister could have avoided bumping into Jauzion and he also had every right to be where he was. This sin binning was crucial. The missed forward pass was another critical mistake. I would have assumed three sets of eyes would have been enough to see a blatantly forward pass but obviously not. And another very annoying point came with the All Blacks hard on the attack in the dying moments and the French were using their hands in the ruck. It was right in front of the touch judge who chose to ignore it. Pretty disgusting effort all around. The All Blacks were beaten by a good rugby team assisted by a talented but far too inexperienced referee.

Surely this isn't the same Mr Hamish McBrearty who wrote the following article, so prominently displayed at the All Blacks official site? http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=dis playFanStory&newsArticle=6972 I must say the huge gulf between those Mighty southern hemisphere giants and the poor lost souls of the north does look wide this evening, but not in the direction you seemed to think. The bottom line is that rugby isn't soccer. Bad teams don't fluke wins over good ones. Maybe you could argue the All Blacks should have won tonight, but the fact is there was very little to choose between the two sides. And remember this match was played at a neutral venue so neither side could claim France won it due to playing at home. Australia versus England provided yet another example that, when the northern sides get it right, there really isn't much to choose between them and the tri-nations sides. On any given day, any team can win. And even the most ardent Kiwis now have to admit that they aren't

Hi Mac, I thought that was the case as well until I slow mod the second or third ITV replay on the DVD playback. This clearly shows Betsen starting to rise to his feet until flattened by a sly punch. As for smoking I think the French forwards may have been in the second half, hehehe. regards.

Clearly knocked out but own teams knee. Perhaps you were "smoking" the same thing as the referee. All 3 refs in this game need to be sacked and replaced with people with EYES. Anyone could see the foward pass. Corrupt? unlikely but maybe

Dont smoke by the way, Anyone could see the forward pass ???? Obviously the ref didnt. The reruns of the early incident in slow mo clearly show Betsen being punched as he starts to rise. No point in debating the facts until you study the evidence, it was second or third replay that follows it through. And there's me always thinking it was the Poms were the whingers.

Although France and England deserved to win it just shows in both quarter finals that rugby is now more of a lottery than a contest between 2 teams, northern and southern hemisphere refs seem to have different rule books by which they follow. The All Blacks loss clearly shows under pressure on the biggest stage there very weak they had there time off rugby got faster and fitter but what lacks is there doesnt seem to be much up stairs i think they need to use the services of someone like Wayne Bennett (Brisbane Broncos) someone who has masterminded grand final victories with teams not expected to win i mean on paper All Blacks should never lose.

If you look *closely* at the replay, Betsen starts to sit up, and is pushed back down (by the chest) by Keith Robinson, and on his way back down he takes it in the head twice from Fabien Pelous, once from each knee. It's definately not a punch, unless you punch with the palm of your hand. It was just an unlucky accident.

As with every World Cup the Kiwi fans think all they have to do is show up. When will the "god given" right to win rugby games be put to bed by the arrogant all black fans? answer never. That is why you lose.

Rob, you obviously have misinterpreted enthusiasm and pride for arrogance. Rugby is the sport where a country with the population of a city gets to mix it with the big boys and do pretty well. A lot of pride is pinned to the all blacks because of this. How different this game could have been if the referees parents were not cousins, but i guess with so many people on such a small piece of dirt, in the UK everyone is cousins. Bring on 2011.

Pick a straw, any straw. I can not believe you Kiwis are moaning about a forward pass or hands in at the ruck. That from a team that plays "flat line Rugby" is an absolute joke. As for hands in or lying in, have a little watch of the game again and your very own Richie Mc. You simply dont like people beating you at your own game. Oh, and yes I am a winging Pomme.

It is a sad day for the game of rugby. The All Blacks scored more legitimate points than France and that was even with the illegitimate sinbinning of McCallister. To refer to NZers as whingers shows what little passion you have for the game. Remember the hand of God.

Final Score - All Blacks 18, Referee 17, France 3.

the ref is too young for this kind of rugby match, congradulation to france, but all these 3 offials are very inexperience, they should have brought in their classes so they can officiate the game well. The offside defence all the time, and the forward pass cause this upset, but to the abs, forget the past, its gone forever, and look up for the next challenge.

[quote]As with every World Cup the Kiwi fans think all they have to do is show up. When will the "god given" right to win rugby games be put to bed by the arrogant all black fans? answer never. That is why you lose.[/quote] And this sort of comment is why the rest of the world hate the english. We all know you invented the game, but why is it your team cant grasp the concept anymore? I look forward to the French once again beating the english next weekend as they have done through time. And just before the Northern countries start patting themselves on the back, South Africa still needs to be played. The day Northern Hemisphere teams dominate Southern teams is the day England beat Brazil in a football match.

"The day Northern Hemisphere teams dominate Southern teams is the day England beat Brazil in a football match" Have a nice trip home again ! And Hamish ! " in fact it would not be a surprise to find all four semi-finalists from south of the Equator " Great piece of self destruction. ! " What can the Northern Hemisphere teams do about this? At this year's tournament, very little " errrm....beat both Australia nd New Zealand, in the world cup.....Again. Thing is. Maybe you shouldnt be so ultra confident all the time, and accept the world cup as your god given right. When the going got tough. Both Australia and New Zealand couldnt come up with the goods....Nice try fellas....maybe work on the scrums a little instead of the hype eh ?

"The day Northern Hemisphere teams dominate Southern teams is the day England beat Brazil in a football match." I know you lot are pretty think but havent you got a rather short memory. Do I not recall England winning the last world cup. How dominant do they need to be? "And this sort of comment is why the rest of the world hate the english" Good. You hate what you fear most. Losers....

Hey can you embed an excuse calculator into this site......Ive lost count of the excuses Hamish comes up with.....they are almost on a par with his explanations of how the southern hemisphere are the only teams that will make the semi finals. Lets see... 1. Referee 2. officials...all three 3. Forward Passes 4. Sin Binning etc etc etc. Hows the hangover Hamish ?

It seems all comments here are very one eyed, not one see's the defeat of the AB's can be laid at the feet of one player in particular. Luke McAllister, with that stupid off the ball play and his subsequent sin bin , tha French had the opportunity it wanted, play the A'B'S with the added advantage of an extra player. Shame on Luke, a "Proffesional" highly paid member of the team, losing the world cup single handedly.

How can you possibly say McAllister's yellow card was unjustified? that was unsportsmanlike behaviour at its worse!!! As for the ref, think about : -all the times Carter remained behind the French whenever they tried to extract the ball and got away with it -that comical scrum when the Black ran around in order to give the appearance of a turned scrum and the referee just asked for another scrum -that ball that went out 40 metres from the NZ goal line and all refs missed ... Errors went both ways yesterday. To be honest the best team may not have won, but at least, the French showed passion!

Yep, Betsen was definitely struck to the right temple by the lower left leg of one his team mates as can be clearly seen in the replay, as was screened on TV3 in New Zealand. So, to insinuate that the All Blacks 'deserved' to be down for an incident for which the outcome of 'collateral damage' by Betsen's own is just plain ignorant.

Cryil, re watch the game Mcallister was about to run for the ball, Jauzion needs to check his eyesight with such a questionable tactic, keep such as those them on the soccer field mate and not this great sport called rugby. For three refs to miss that forward pass was completely ridicules, the chance that they did not see it is possible as I can’t find the proof that the hand off was in their visual range, given that fair enough, but if there is evidence that they ignored it or did not process it…..??

I was thoroughly disgusted when watching this game. All Black players being held before receiving the ball. Offsides going unanswered. A scum because the ref wasn't sure if there had been a forward pass (against the All-Blacks). McAlister being sent off because a French player ran into him. And finally, the winning try in the game being the direct result of a forward pass. I agree, the Al Blacks didn't play their best game. However, the All Blacks were going up against some seriously ridiculous odds. Much as everyone loves to talk about the northern hemisphere vs. southern hemisphere in rugby, the competition holds absolutely no integrity with reffing like this. Games like this are just a great big farce. The worst bit is, all the official media aren't supposed to say anything about the reffing. Does this mean we can expect this sort of crap time and time again without anyone being held responsible?

Clearly everyone can put their opinion on what happened during the 1st two 1/4 final games ... bad/good/fair/biased refereeing and so forth ... but has anyone contemplated the thought that there could be a payout awaiting the ref/s to ensure that two NH teams/nations progress to save embarrassment? ... let alone the host nation?

The last three comments are nothing short of pathetic....... They hold no substance whatsoever......Especially the last one......I suppose you are now saying that England's victory was bought also ??....... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!.....poor little ALL Blacks thought that they would turn up and be handed the title.....WRONG !!.....you got BEAT....turned over !!!....and doesnt that ring true eh ?..........admit it......you got BEAT !!!.....whats the next excuse ? The grass ? The Sky ? The Weather ? the changing rooms weren't warm enough ? etc etc etc etc......keep moaning fellas...this is getting more and more enjoyable.!!

Dave - yeah we got beat Dave - just as we have beat your pommy a.s on most occasions! remember also Dave how we were unbeaten in the NH for 5 years, how we grand slammed through your countries; once we get over this we will again no doubt fall into the regual routine of beating you some more - boy.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha........Dont you just love it.......maybe if you lot concentrated on less tongue waggling and dancing around before the kick off...maybe you'd have the energy to scrum.......ha ha ha ha......Five years eh ?.....Thats certainly a lot less than the last time you won the world cup...or indeed played in the final......By the way....thanks for the Boy comment by the way...im pleased to accept it...seeing as im 42...but iv'e been through two wars...and numerous other skirmishes world wide...it really doesnt upset me at all....when you have someone trying to take your spleen out with a knife....names dont really upset anymore.......enjoy your day and the rest of the world cup...Sonny ! :)...Just remember, its just a game...and a bit of banter....its not the end of the world....there are kids dying for little reason worldwide....now THATS a problem and thats worth crying about.

Anyone with a name like Cyril would have to be atleast 80 years old forgive his poor eyesight im not sure if he was even watching the game!

Boo hoo lads. Make sure to make enough bottles of wine for the whole of NZ with those sour grapes. Losers

Anyone know the difference between the All Blacks and Joe Cocker, it only sounds like hes choking.

Dave - dont boast tough guy - you sound like a real tosser - just accept the facts - the All Blacks were beaten and you delight in it. But your memory is short. Shane Robinson another gripper with little to say

As a neutral watching the match, and not bothered about which team won, I thought the yellow card was probably harsh, but it does depends on the view of the referee at the time (remember that we have a much better, elevated view of the incident which is also replayed in slow motion so it is easy to criticise). This is not the only game in this world cup where a break has had a forward pass which the officials have not picked up on and the result was a try. To All Black fans I would say, all teams cheat and make mistakes (including yours), some get caught, and others don't. Officials cannot see everything. As much as the players are trying their best, so are the officials. If you think you can do a better job, pick up a whistle. And don't forget the times when you have played teams and such decisions have gone your way. Anyway, exciting world cup. Let the entertainment continue!

Another thing Grippers - who will remain top of the world rugby rankings? New Zealanders delight in the All Blacks because they win 75% of their games for over 100 years - I can see from yoru remarks that it is difficult for you but nevertheless it is the truth! And we can remember that as we lament and smile and know that next winter we will be back kicking your pommy a.s once again

Gripper Dave - your 43 years dont add up to much considerign the AB's have been kicking your countries a.s for 100yrs - boy! :) NB - the kiwi battilions full of the maori whom you mock were the ones the Germans feared - Also you boast how tough you are but I guarantee you would not dare repeat your remarks about the haka to a Maori! You boy, would then be in serious difficulty!

Pommy?? Knob jockey, why do you assume I am English? It's World Cups you are measured on the World over, how many have you won exactly? One and that was 20 years ago in your own back yard. Who knows? Maybe in 2011 you can do it again. 75% indeed, what a loser you are. Cheerio now and off home you go where you can scour the neighbouring islands for a new team of inbreds. I hear there is a new bra out in NZ too, great support, easy to open at the back but no cups.

I saw Rickys comment and maybe he's right, he's killed kids he knows what it means to be tough.NZ should train in Iraq?

Shane Robinson - You are Irish are you not? What is your Irish success? The truth is your nastiness is due to your deep resentment - you have no other reason. 75% is the truth dummy.

I think the TMO should have more input into the game. since all 3 refs missed the obvious forward pass that led to the match winning try in France V New Zealand game, the TMO should have radioed down and had the game stopped at the forward pass. its pathetic how at this level, in an international world competition, a team can be eliminated from the competition due to a hopeless ref and touch judges.

I think the TMO should have more input into the game. since all 3 refs missed the obvious forward pass that led to the match winning try in France V New Zealand game, the TMO should have radioed down and had the game stopped at the forward pass. its pathetic how at this level, in an international world competition, a team can be eliminated from the competition due to a hopeless ref and touch judges.

I think the TMO should have more input into the game. since all 3 refs missed the obvious forward pass that led to the match winning try in France V New Zealand game, the TMO should have radioed down and had the game stopped at the forward pass. its pathetic how at this level, in an international world competition, a team can be eliminated from the competition due to a hopeless ref and touch judges.

Jem - that you are not - what kind of remark is that - another senseless idiot

I think the TMO should have more input into the game. since all 3 refs missed the obvious forward pass that led to the match winning try in France V New Zealand game, the TMO should have radioed down and had the game stopped at the forward pass. its pathetic how at this level, in an international world competition, a team can be eliminated from the competition due to a hopeless ref and touch judges.

Come tell us dummy - about your Irish Success? Bring it on slim boy! How many times has Ireland beaten the AB's? NEVER (in 100 years) dummy

Everyone knows that Dave you are simply a 'poodle' to the USA who who you serve faithfully! So get back on your lesh and be a good boy

Shane Robinson - So pathetic are you that you have to celebrate another nations victory (France) - you mock as though your outfit had won! The cream of your own rugby players were the worst performers at the RWC! Tell us motor mouth all about your Ireland! Dummy Shane

The World Cup 'we are measured on'? Dummy Shane - World rugby is also measured in terms of world rugby rankings based on wins. That is why the AB's were the favourites! Are you as thick as you sound? Dummy Shane!

Unlike (war) international skirmishes the game of rugby has a set of rules. I would like to think you have not actually killed children, maybe just maimed the odd parent, Anyway its just banter.

What are you saying Jem? Who has killed children and when? These remarks of mine are a redress for the two mockers who like little children are speaking such crap - what do you mean Jem??

I am sorry and look after yourself. It's been hard to think straight in the land of the long black cloud.

Ha ha ha ha! Poor little Ricky has really unravelled at the seams. Yes mate, I am Irish so again the questions remains regarding your Poms comment. Nope, we have never beaten you. Does that mean you are now reinstated into this World Cup? Or you are now no longer the World's greatest chokers at rugby? Hmmm? No? Didn't think so. Hurry now, your flight to NZ must be leaving soon.

You've toned down now Shane - no where to go for you is there! Keep your mouth closed when you own countries performance is far worse than ours :) (boy)

Oh, by the way, like little children? I assume you are referring to paedophiles? What a disgusting little man you are. Here we are haveing some banter and you drag something so sick and twisted into it that has absolutely nothing to do with rugby or any sport for that matter. I am drawing the line here, you clearly cannot take a slagging without resorting to your disgusting perversions you sick f*ck. I only hope nothing so evil befalls one of your own if you have kids or if you ever decide to. You really are pathetic. No more from me, only here for the banter and you clearly cannot take it

Jem - your cool - I know what you are saying! :)

Shane - you are nuts. No wonder your rugby comments are so incorrect. Go away.

I might take up refereeeeeeeeing. I thought you were on Shanes team and I was going to send you off. But hey you can play for us stay on and tackle Shane maybe you could just run into him eh. And then I can send him off. What a cool interpretation of the game.

Yeah exactly Jem - these big mouth idiots whose own teams are total failures - claim they are are here for the banter but look at his last remarks? Talk about nasty! I agree sin bin the guy! (better still you red card him! :)

Im 42, not 43....Your'e not working from the All Blacks tactics for a quarter final guide are you ?....because you seem to be making as many mistakes.........And tough guy ??...I never go around acting tough....never have..never will...just keep my mouth closed and get on with the job......i was using it as an example that name calling...i.e ( boy ) really doesnt worry me in the slightest.....and I'd also like to question your use of the term " face facts ".....i did....i dont have a problem with them....you lost....i faced that fact along with millions of other people worlwide....and a rather splendid display by the French......Any other mistakes you'd like to make ?........and being America's poodle....whats that got to do with things ?.....You have no idea in which theatres i have been involved in....so why jump to conclusions....You have a lot to learn about shouting your mouth off Sonny...a lot to learn....now go throw the rest of the toys out of your cot.....theres a good little boy..........PS....and

PS and please people....in defence of Ricky. he has NEVER once mentioned anything about children or paedos....its just banter...cut him some slack....hes not even gone there.

Dave - your own words are your boast about being tough! Do you understand what you say? Also - if you are such a military hero you will know that one of our Maori troopers has recently been awarded the VC for bravery in Afghanistan - this the culture that you insult. I'm not interested in what Theatres you may have worked in but I suspect are a liar my friend as you say have served in two 'wars' but you indicate not to do with the USA. At 42 you could only have served in Iraq or Afghanistan as they are the only recent 'wars'. I'm interested in reminding you of the full facts about rugby union which you are appear ignorant about not about your boasting or lies

Dave that was a synical act and I'm afraid I am going to have to show you a yellow card. You can stick it next to your courage blanky.

Also Dave - RE your "PS comment" I dont need some one like you to defend me. Every normal person can see that Shane is simply a nasty guy!

Hey Jem - I've got to go - :) Kia Kaha Jem!

I got to go to. I apologise for any grief sent your way. I simply hope commercialism and the monopolisation of the game doesn't whistle blow the gladiator from the pitch. Tena Koto

Sorry to spoil the Ricky and Jem lovefest. Ricky...Falklands and Gulf War 1 - No puppet of the U.S that time round...Kosovo was my final swansong. Ive little time for people like you or people that cant take a bit of banter...You had your backsides kicked by the french ...No world cup for the All Blacks....what a shame.! Sadly you are unable to discuss this in a jocular way like most Australians can. See you all in four years !! Dont go buying final tickets in advance...you wont need them.

I'm sure many Kiwis with objective eyes will be embarrassed both by Hamish's article and some of the postings here, which have, of course led to the usual stream of 'Yah boo sucks to you' comments from both sides. How you can say McAllister's sin-binning was unjustified amazes me!

Was I the only one to hear what Mr Barnes said to Richie McCaw? Had it not been McCallister then it would have been the flanker who brought down the previous maul which had gone 30m and 'came down' on the 5m line. I was there and had reflink when he said words to the affect of "the maul collapse was synical, the block was synical. He was the second one, he goes to the bin". So hold the anaylsis of the block, have a look at the maul. A yellow in its own right. He as already playing advantage from it when McCallister blocked (havent seen it apart from in the stands). Look a little deeper all you Kiwi diehards!

this is a total disgrace, it is sport and i have heard you thugs of new zealanders have been sending deatch messages to him, gorw up, ireland lost the 6 nations when the ref didn't give advantage to georden murphy in the french match to score a try which would of proved the difference of who was winning and guess what he was a kiwi, steve walsh to be precise and he lost us the 6 nations

All Blacks gone again like every kiwi didnt know in the back of there minds that they follow players who lack brains they will never win a world cup get over it Union is a b grade sport now from what you guys are saying refs can determine the out come of a game, drop goals can win you a game what a disgrace 3 points. As for sending death messages to the ref how pathetic if All Blacks were anygood they would have smashed france lets remember there not a good side.

It's obvious that referees are as imperfect as the players and the spectators. Spectators and players can make post mortem judgments courtesy of current technology. The referees have scant access to technological resources when on the run. Time to get the heads out of the sand and fix the problem? Surely it is not earth shattering to have television officials (referees) to have the ability to advise the referee of a wrong and crucial decision and have that decision reversed. It has to be an improvement on the current hit and miss debacle that masquerades as a fair and acceptable system. Having said all this it seems to me that there is little excuse for some of the refereeing decisions in the current RWC. To whit the NZ game and the Boks game where the referees. To say the least, in both these contests the refereeing was revealed as singularly lacking in competence. Rognvald

I would like to say as a New Zealander that the All Blacks needed to play it smarter. It is the same problem again. We lack the smarts to change to tactics when we aren't getting the rub of the green. The last ten minutes we were waiting for a penalty to be given and it never came. The trophy cabinet is still full and we are the number one ranked side in the world! The media and public have been lulled in by a false sense of security from results since the last World Cup.

I would like to say as a New Zealander that the All Blacks needed to play it smarter. It is the same problem again. We lack the smarts to change to tactics when we aren't getting the rub of the green. The last ten minutes we were waiting for a penalty to be given and it never came. The trophy cabinet is still full and we are the number one ranked side in the world! The media and public have been lulled in by a false sense of security from results since the last World Cup.

Dave - you state you are 43 years old and yet went to war in the Falklands conflict which was April 1982? This - making you a boy of 18 years old! I think you mislead us - are you lying?. Even if you did go - for you to raise what you did as an 18 year old boy and to make it out as some big deal as to your superiority is quite weird. Unbalanced? Can I ask - Do you have pictures of guns in the walls of your home (which no doubt you refer to as your 'barricks'? I guess your family might salute you "Sir"? Haha - can you take the banter?

Brad - you are another one - how can you be an 'ex kiwi'? Whose soil were you born on Brad - let us clarify it for you and we will tell you what nationality you are! It's not hard Brad.

Dave - so you are 42 years old not 43 years old making you 17 years old at the time of the Falklands conflict. So the English military took 17 year olds to war did they Dave? Interesting - Something smells Dave - and it just might be you - boy!

Has not been by the AB's or the ref . It has been by the AB's fans themselves who canot get over the fact that they lost a game of rugby to an inferior side skills wise but who seized the day. But then arrogance from AB's fans is what we have got used to over the years. You never know boys , with some humility you might be able to roll with the punches and actually win the RWC . Until then - good riddance the competition ( and the Northern Hemisphere for that matter ) is better off without you

You small-minded man, from a small and insignificant "country". It must gall you no-end that you speak...English. The oh-so tough Anzacs...still living on that are we? Everyone can produce reports from the Krauts or Nips about who they feared the most: Paras, Gurkhas, Royal Marines...Lancashire Fusiliers (forgotten them did you?). You lost fair and square. How many games have you won due to ref errors, or the milieu of intimdation that surrounds the officials? BTW, my cousin, Dave Bowden fought in the Falklands with B Company, 3 Para...he was 18, he joined at 17 with his parents permission. You could (back then) join the British Army at 16 with parents permission (my dad did). Get a clue.

Saxon Page Vicerks Buckley- What a kind of a name is that? You queer son? That aside you leave out the effort in Afganistain and the recent VC - :) (Even the Yanks comment on how ur pretty weak on the battle field!. In fact lucky for the yanks less you be speaking German! Dont forget the facts!

Saxon Page Vicerks Buckley- What a kind of a name is that? You queer son? That aside you leave out the effort in Afganistain and the recent VC - :) (Even the Yanks comment on how ur pretty weak on the battle field!. In fact lucky for the yanks less you be speaking German! Dont forget the facts!

Regarding Dave Bowden - Get a head on ur shoulders - For tough Dave to raise that in this forum shows who the wanker is!

You are the only person that has EVER featured in this forum who talks about HIS OWN working life. Your attempt to show yourself as someone better is very typical of English tossers.

The All Blacks have shown themselves as better ....for 100 years - We loose by 2 points - yet win everything else - and out of the closet come the Dave's and his friends like Saxon - Paige Vickers Buckley (what a name!) puffed up poms no doubt, who try and put forward an argument showing Kiwi's as 'arrogant' - the only arrogance is ur self belief which is based on nothing; in comparison to what the All Blacks have achieved. So get real - and Dave I dont know if you were a rear gunner! But I'm guessing Saxon Paige would know! (Can you take the banter?)

As an AB supporter I appreciate the French played well. I figure if you broke the law, speeding for example and not get pulled, up you are not going to turn yourself in at the cop shop. So good on you France. Where I have a problem is the fact that it has come to light that the IRB instructed all touch judges to only instruct ref on out of play, conversions and other scoring kicks and foul play. The IRB then cost the ABs the game. God bless their vision. What was the CEO's comment... France needed to stay in the competition as the host nation. Perhaps NZ will be granted the same favours in 2011.

Ricky, i wasnt going to reply to be honest. you are clearly a little deranged....a little like your player Howden thats now a criminal in the uk. yes, in 1982 a 17 year old Soldier was allowed to fight for his country. i and a few others made the trip to the South Atlantic. Perhaps if you actually had the ability to stop foaming at the mouth, then you'd realise that, that was the fact.This happened before the introduction of legislation which banned the use of troops under the age of 18..... Alas Ricky. you have by your own posts shown yourself to be rather ignorant of the facts and the ability to reason. Enjoy your time in the mental institution that you so obviously live in.

I'm a girl, you ponce. One might think "Paige" would give the game away. Clearly it's a name beyond your sense. You're obviously a drunk as your remarks about my cousin demonstrate: can you read English, or would you prefer sheep? Baah, baah, baah, baah-baah-baah. Make sure you fix the wellies to the back legs properly next time you pop out, wouldn't want you to do yourself an injury. The sheep explain why New Zealand men produce so few children.

Dave & Saxon -Your a girl?? You've had the op then?? I heard that 'trooper' Dave's call sign was 'tail end charlie' - Hey - I bet his platoon hated it when he was 'rear guard'! Dave in seriousness - you came on here with a very big mouth! You boast about your self and rant about the All Blacks - yet when yoour own ears get slapped you complain!

Saxon Paige - You might be a girl - but you are a strange one but I can understand that - you being Dave's cousin and all! Good luck to you - are you a heroine as well?? (only in your own mind eh! :)

Well I read ur opening comments Dave - you pissed me off, frankly. I could see you were a person who has no appreciate of the sport - u'r the sort of guy that I dont like - a loud big mouth idiot. But I have to say, I've so much enjoyed throwing the crap at you that I feel better! So no I wont need ur suggestion of the mental hospital. I'm also older than you boy and have done similar things in life, but NEVER boast as you have.

Saxon (boy/girl) I have to redress ur 'small insignificant nation' comment. On what basis do you assert? Economy size? - ours is 10% of urs (GDP) urs is 10% (GDP) of the USA. Therefore 'small and insignificant' is proportional. Which way do turn ur head - to the US or to NZ when you make your assertion? But I guess you only turn it to the mirror like big tough Dave! :) and yes our NZ lamb earns some of our export dollars!

Saxon (boy/girl) I have to redress ur 'small insignificant nation' comment. On what basis do you assert? Economy size? - ours is 10% of urs (GDP) urs is 10% (GDP) of the USA. Therefore 'small and insignificant' is proportional. Which way do turn ur head - to the US or to NZ when you make your assertion? But I guess you only turn it to the mirror like big tough Dave! :) and yes our NZ lamb earns some of our export dollars!

Saxon - RE your display of a sheep call - using ur (weird and deluded) rational it appears you could be trying to attract a Kiwi male? Everyone knows (you poms are world renown for this) that your pommy males, such as Dave, are puny, white, weak with legs like drain pipes; BUT if you want out you need to see a shrink re your communication skills. First, work out ur gender, then work out the diff between man and beast. If your Grand Mother called to your Grand Father as you have here, then I can understand how you and Dave have some serious 'family' issues to attend to.

Saxon - Ur wrong again - do u get anything right - ever?? The UK birth rate per 1000 is 10.67, NZ is 13.61 - NZ men are 22% more virile Saxon, UK men are 22% LESS virile Saxon. (impotentcy runs in ur family eh Sax!)

Just a few more of your points to redress midget! You mock the fact that our maoris wore grass skirts? Dotn forget whiloe they were doing this your forfathers were wearing lice infected wigs! So whats the difference Midget Dave? (You who believe you are superior)superior!

Finally Dave; you complain of NZ arrogance about the All Blacks BUT Here is the truth - Your english culture is one of the most arrogant on earth. You fools practise a belief that some people are worthy of special title and are superior to other people. That is why you attempt to belittle the All Blacks - it's a rub from where you live! The total lie of your society is found in the fact that at death there is no difference, people are all the same! You are an extremly arrogant and judgemental nation! The so called wars you have won were in fact won only through the help of other nations; without whose help you would have been squashed. So dont ever call New Zealanders arrogant again - Maori blood was shed to save your country!

Dave & Sax -bitter and unable to accept the All Blacks winning record for 100 years - BUT Kiwis are differ - we congratulate England on making the final why? because they have proved to be the best at the RWC ths far! WEll done England! (take a note cowardly Dave who no longer replies)

[quote]Just a few more of your points to redress midget! You mock the fact that our maoris wore grass skirts? Dotn forget whiloe they were doing this your forfathers were wearing lice infected wigs! So whats the difference Midget Dave? (You who believe you are superior)superior![/quote] In answer to your question.....No....try searching through the threads.....press ctrl and f together to bring up a search box. Are you still on the same joint Ricky ?? Wow, thats some spliff you must be smoking. Either that or theyve allowed you more meds in your hospital ward because of the results....even the New Zealand politicians have been getting in on the act. Obviously im correct in my assumption that you are totally and utterly mentally deranged.You dont edit wikipedia sites by any chance do you ? Please take a look through all of my posts. Everyone. If i mention grass skirts the way you have said just once i'll happily pay a thousand pounds to a charity of your choice. Ricky, please stop foaming at

...The mouth, relax, and enjoy the rest of the World Cup

You are right Dave - you never mentioned it - I mis read it - therefore I withdraw and apologise for my remark regarding that. All else I stand by in redress to your mockery of a very fine All Black record and a very fine New Zealand military record where our blood has been spilled to save your white backside! The All Blacks have some thing like a 75% winning ratio against England and long may it continue.

No Dave I don't do drugs - Although they do say the active ingredient of cannabis a drug called delta-tetrahydrocannabinol has a memory affecting feature - judging from your knowledge of Rugby I guess it's not too far removed to think that you are a drug user ur self!

Thank you for the redress ricky. Alas, you will also find that i never once cast any judgement on the brave troops of New Zealand. One thing i have never done with troops of any country is question their ability or bravery. For any man or woman that decides to join the armed forces of their country, has my deepest respect. I think you may find that another poster questioned New Zealands military. Not myself. And no, never touched drugs though after the first couple of games that England played in the world cup, had anyone suggested that we were to reach the final, i would have said that they were on them too.

Good on you Dave - but I think your cousin who tag teamed with you raised that issue - but we'll leave it at that for now! England or South Africa - very interesting game coming up - enjoy it!