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by Donna Gee on 14 January 2007
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by Paul on November 26, 2006
I notice you said the Cook islands and Russia don't play rugby league and that their teams were made up. The reality is that Russian has semi-pro Rugby league teams that play in their domestic comp and the Cook Islands has a vibrant domestic rugby league competition. Perhaps some research before you publish your articles wouldn't go astray.
by Russell on November 26, 2006
If union is such a global game why was the world's TV audience for the 2003 WC final barely 2 million for those countries outside the Top 5 rated countries. Also those non-English speaking countries aren't hotbeds for rugby union. Apart from the south-west of France rugby union is an insignificant & minor sport played mosty by expats. (PS.-you forgot PNG. A country with a bigger population than NZ where RL is the number one sport.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_league_in_Papua_New _Guinea
by John Patten on November 27, 2006
An interesting article, with a lot of merit for having asked questions and attempting to bypass bias, however it does show that the author only has a relatively cursory appreciation for rugby league and its history. I would advise the author that one major issue to consider when discussing why we still have two distinct rugby codes is the question of why rugby union has the greater international reach. Rugby union has and still does place roadblocks in the way of rugby league's expansion as an international sport. Rugby union was spread to a number of countries via the British Armed Forces. Where rugby league was banned until 1995. It's quite difficult to develop a new sport in an untapped nation when a similar sport where athletes are most likely to be interested are told "if you play we will ban you for life." That is the reality until 1995 and in many cases similar bullying continues, not just against athletes, but governing bodies. How do you insure players to play rugby league in a new n
by John on November 27, 2006
How do you insure players to play rugby league in a new nation when the local rugby union body has informed the national sports body that they are the only official governing body for rugby, and the new rugby league body is acting illegally? Can you not imagine the uproar if such interference tactics was run by the likes of cricket against its American cousin, baseball? What do you make of the fact that rugby union books grounds in New Caledonia in its off-season, in order to block the rugby league there? Or the fact that Les Catalans were blocked from even entering their local council owned stadium, because of Perpignan RU jealousies? Surely you realise that spreading glass on rugby league grounds in France is a a problem from a few years ago, not WWII? Rugby league was once a thriving sport in the former Yugoslavia, in Italy and was also the more popular code in France. Does the author realise this or hold any appreciation for why the game became extinct in Italy, has only been re-introduced to Serbi
Does the author realise this or hold any appreciation for why the game became extinct in Italy, has only been re-introduced to Serbia and now can compete with union in France? Required reading for anyone who wishes to even begin to discuss why there will never be a single rugby code are books "The Forbidden Game" by Mike Rylance, and "The Rugby Rebellion." The politics behind the birth of rugby union and rugby league as two distinct codes that hold little in common with their parent rugby code will never allow for one code, only perhaps a 3rd rugby code, further splintering the scene. With my bias firmly being in favour of rugby league I must ask, why would a rugby league fan ever want to see a merged game? Yes rugby union can be entertaining at its best, but the elements that make it unique are those that rugby league has long since abandoned. Rugby union continues to follow rugby league's evolutionary path. If I really wanted to watch a game of rugby league that reminded me of modern rugby un
If I really wanted to watch a game of rugby league that reminded me of modern rugby union then I would only need to view a rugby league match from the 50's. Fitness may be similar these days, but rugby union has very little to offer rugby league in terms of a spectacle or as an activity. On a few other areas that were incorrect - Russia at the 2000 rugby league world cup had more Russian born players than the Scottish rugby union team did in 2005. Lebanon also had a number of native sons in their team, and their participation at the cup also lead to their now thriving domestic league. It's really quite petty to belittle those nations efforts based on what you may have read in another poorly informed article written by a rugby union fan. As for the Cook Islands, you do know that there are more rugby league clubs there than union, right? A shame don't you think that you failed to mention/research a little further back to the well organised and successful 1995 RL World Cup, in which Tonga narrowly los
successful 1995 RL World Cup, in which Tonga narrowly lost to New Zealand and Wales once again illustrated their potential, of which is now brighter than ever on the back of their rapidly expanding domestic league and professional club, the Celtic Crusaders. Rugby league in the UK over the last 2 years has doubled the number of people participating in the code. Yes the game is played in Scotland, yes it's played in PNG as the national sport, a nation with more people than NZ and the rest of the Pacific Islands combined. Rugby league's international scene may not be huge, but its growing rapidly and I would wager faster than most if not all contact sports. We've only really had since 1995 without the crux of union's interference. And look what's happened, domestic leagues from Lebanon and Serbia to Jamaica and Tonga. I'm happy with my code of choice, and I'm sure the majority of fair minded rugby union fans are happy with theirs without issue. I'd prefer to keep it that way thanks.
by Outside back on November 27, 2006
Wot a load of dribble - just because both these forms of football share the word "rugby" they should merge? Let's be done with it once and for all - from today on I want to see a merger of RU, RL, soccer, American football, Aust rules, Canadian football & Gaelic football all into one universal football code.
by Daniel Emerson on November 27, 2006
What was initially a nicely balanced and well-written article was somewhat spoilt by the author making assumptions, instead of researching fact, about Rugby League's international presence. There are domestic Rugby League competitions in Russia and the Cook Islands, amongst other countries. In fact, since that World Cup, even more countries have set up national competitions, from Jamaica to Serbia, from Scotland to Lebanon, from Japan to the Netherlands. Rugby League has finally realised that international competition, especially below the level of the 'big three' nations, is not something to be treated as an afterthought. It just took them a century r so to wake up to the fact.
by Steve May on November 27, 2006
The RUWC will be won by one of 4 countries. There will be at least three 100+ scorelines in the group stages. Having 20 nations in it is a farce. Nations like Japan, Canada or Romania will certainly not provide testing opposition - they will get steamrollered by the established nations. . On the rare occasions when Canada are allowed to play the big boys they get thrashed. In the last few years they've conceded 70 points to England, 51 to Italy, 47 to France, 68 to New Zealand, 51 to South Africa and 60 to Wales. Hardly "testing opposition" are they? The last time Romania provided "testing opposition" to England the score was 134-0! Look more deeply at those qualifying tourneys as well and you'll see some pretty horrendous scorelines. Japan didn't win a game in the RUWC finals in 2003 but managed to post scores of 155, 120, 90 and 55 in their four qualifying games. You claim that most countries in the world have an RU presence - true, but most are little more than pub sides. The so-called interna
Sorry, didn't realise there was a word count limit. I meant to say :The so-called internanational profile of rugby union is nine-parts wishful thinking to one part truth.
BTW, if you're going to comment on rugby league then do some research. The Superleague has 12 teams, not 16. The London Broncos have been Quins RL for a year. The 2000 Russian RL World Cup squad contained 16 players (out of 25) who were Russian born and bred and played in the Russian league. The Cook Islands have a thriving 8 team league (doesn't sound like much, but there's only 18,000 people!)
by Richard Pitchfork on November 27, 2006
I believe this is some fo the laziest journalism I have seen for a while. You fail to grasp the inate differences between the two games. You fail to grasp the tensions between the two and the very fact that Union still has issues with allowing legaue to attempt to expand. You fail to realise how much people despise each code. Not only that but you make basic errors including the date of the last Rugby League World Cup. Even at University you would not be allowed to right such ill informed drivel I am amazed you can get paid to write it. Union "virtually every country in te world has a league structure"... oh please how can you be allowed to write this by your own hand. League "Invented a string of non existent teams" well perhaps they did but have you followed up to see what has happened in these countries since your made up World Cup of 2002? no becuase that would have defeated the point. League used the world cup to help expand. Not only that but the London Broncos no longer exist they are called "Harlequ
didnt realise there was a word limit! to continue as has been mentioned you say about the 16 team "English Superleague" when there are actually 12 teams and one of them is French! This is the laziest peice of journalism i have seen for some time. Any money that Donna and this site/company make off a fee or any advertising that has been put on the site should be jointly given to "XIII heroes" a league charity helping those with serious injuries as a result of playing and to a Rugby Union charity of the RFU's choice. You should not be allowed to earn of such shoddy and lazy work. I know i wouldnt get away with it.
by Chris on November 27, 2006
Great idea. About time... 14 players, no rucks, lineouts. : ) The southerners are a bunch of snobs -- time they yielded to the interests of the game.
by Donhna Gee on November 27, 2006
I have to admit that I know more about Rugby Union than Rugby League - which RL fans have clearly noticed. I apologise for any factual mistakes. I didn't mean to upset anyone; I just feel that we are all losing out by the codes being kept separate. One united game of rugby, with all the world's best players involved, would surely be a fantastic spectacle.
by Si on November 27, 2006
I am sorry but being involved in Developing Rugby League in a European Country and having been asked by the People that control Rugby Union in that land to "give up as there is only room for one code" and "To stop doing Rugby League in Schools". This on top of a number of people involved in Rugby Union that have made life difficult for Rugby League people in Serbia, Holland, Ireland, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Russia, Cook Islands, Fiji, South Africa etc. Why would anybody from Rugby League look to merge especially when the game is so strong in PNG, Australia, New Zealand and England and growing stronger as well as now developing at a great pace in Lebanon, Russia, Ireland, Serbia, South Africa, Germany, USA, West indies etc? Rugby League has never been so popular as today nor had as much money neither.Rugby Union and Rugby League are 2 different sports same as Football and American Football or Hockey and Ice Hockey are different games despite carrying similar names.The way the 2 games are played are a
by Outside back on November 28, 2006
"would surely be a fantastic spectacle" - sorry lady, you might not get that in smugby union, but we get plently in rugby league.
by Richard on November 28, 2006
You say you have expertese in union and hten say that Argentina, Italy, Fiji, Samoa, Romania, Canada and Japan ar all capable of providing testing opposition.. who to? Arg, It, and Samoa possibly to the bigger nations, Fiji have been trounced, Romania, Canada and Japan have been mentioned by others as being certainly 60 pointers if not 100 pointers.. even this doesn't make any sense. The only reason those supporting Union want to see a merger of codes is becuase they know to improve their game is to get rid of flankers and the tedium of the rucks and mauls. How to do this? make it 13 and play the ball... they want to be League but cannot. League has a great game and a great product. Leave us alone in a free market and let us win the ratings.
by Steve Davy on November 28, 2006
Donna, The reaction to this article must seem rather harsh. Rugby league does get rough treatment from the national media and for many followers this was seen as further unfairness. I can accept that much of what you wrote was based on what is heavily reported as fact, and you cannot be blamed for accepting what was widely reported by people who should know better.
by Aussiejack on November 28, 2006
Donna, I can't believe the inaccuracies in your article,your lack of rugby league knowledge shines like a beacon. The last rugby league world cup was 2000,not 2002.Rugby league in the pacific islands is growing with competitions in Tonga,Fij,Cook Islands. Rugby league is the national code of PNG.Rugby league is the 2nd most popular sport in Australia,and has a record numbers of participants. NZ last saturday night played Australia in a final,which has been applauded by pundits not only within but outside rugby league,as the best rugby league test ever.Despite rugby union hosting the 2003 world cup in Oz,the game has gone backwards here.The TV ratings for rugby league swamp union's. Russia during the last world cup,had the vast majority of their players,born and bred and playing in a local Russian competition. We even have the situation of players such as Mat Rogers going back to rugby league,Lote Tuqiri wanting to do the same,and players like Hoiles and gerrard in the Wallabies wanting to play rugby
by Malcolm Andrews on November 28, 2006